LL-L 'Names' 2006.08.17 (05) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 17 August 2006 * Volume 05
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From: 'Scat' [Scat at cfl.rr.com]
Subject: LL-L 'Names' 2006.08.17 (04) [E]

Under the header "Shaw (et al.)" Reaney & Wilson begin with 'Simon de
Schage'
in 1191 and continue with 'Richard de la Shawe' in 1275 and 'John ate Shaw'
in 1295. They derive the name from Old English 'sceaga' meaning 'dweller by

the wood.' It is noted that 'Shea' may be from the Irish 'O'Shea' as well
as
from 'sceaga'; however, nowhere do they mention the possibility of a Romany
name becoming 'Shaw.' It would not be impossible, but 'Shaw' obviously is
not
basically a Romany name in England: there is no indication that the Romany
had
left the Indian Subcontinent by such an early date.
Scott Catledge 

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Names

I don't think that many if any Roma ancestors migrating into Europe had surnames
as we know them.  Eurasian and North African Roma seem to have acquired surnames
much later, though I don't know exactly how.

The most prominent (and "royal") Sinti clan in my part of Hamburg has (or had)
the surname Weiß (German for "White").  Roma tend to have surnames that fit in
with the countries in which they (predominantly) live.  

The US commissioner for Roma affairs (a native Roma Romany scholar appointed by
Bill Clinton) has the name Ian Hancock.  Consider other famous Romas's names
(including those of a few part-Roma):

Django Reinhardt (Germany, France)
Esma Redzpova (Macedonia)
Lolo del Carders (Catalonia)
Rumen Shopov (Bulgaria)
Novica Ristić (Serbia)
Boban Marković (Serbia)
Nafisa Hasanova (Uzbekistan)
Nicolae Guţă (Romania)
Romica Puceanu (Romania)
Mustafa Kandirali (Turkey)
Tarik Menguc (Turkey)
Kostas Pavlidis (Greece)
Yianni Saleas (Greece)
Pyotr Leshchenko (Russia)
Lívia Járóka (Hungary)
Ştefan Răzvan (Moldova)
Philomena Franz (Germany)
Ronald Lee (Canada)
Carmen Amaya (Castille)
Soledad Miranda (Andalusia)
Johnny Frankham (England)
Henry Wharton (England)
Raby Howell (England)
Rafael Van Der Vaart (Netherlands)
Augustine Bearce (English colonist in American Plymouth)
Tamás Péli (Hungay)
István Szentandrássy (Hungary)
Sofia Vasilyevna Kovalevskaya (Russia)
Yul Brynner (USA)
Charles Chaplin (England, USA)
Michael Caine (England)
Bob Hoskins (England)
Iva Bittová (Czech Republic)
György Cziffra (Hungary)
Ferenc Snétberger (Austro-Hungarian)
John Roberts (England)
Henry Joseph Wood (England)
Martin Taylor (Scotland)
David Essex (England)
Albert Lee (England)
Denny Laine (England)
Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu, "Mother Theresa" (Kosovo, Albiania)
Walter Balthazzar Reinhardt (Germany)
Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira (Brazil)
Washington Luís Pereira de Souza (Brazil)
Juan de Dios Ramírez Heredia y Montoya (Spain)
Jarmila Balážová (Czech Republic)
Jake Bowers (England)
George Bramwell Evens (England)
Andrea Pirlo (Italy)
Johann Wilhelm "Rukeli" Trollmann (Germany)

Etc. ...

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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