LL-L "Morphology" 2006.02.01 (10) [E]

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01 February 2006 * Volume 10
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From: Henry Pijffers <henry at saxnot.com>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2006.02.01 (02) [E]

Ron schreev:
 >
> More natural to me: 'n muul/snuut trekken/maken ('n Muul/Snuut
> trecken/maken)
 >
You write _'n_, does that mean that you consider both muul and snuut to
have masculine gender, or neuter? In Twente we have 'nen for masculine
(sometimes shortened to 'n though), 'ne for feminine, and 'n for neuter
gender.

> _Muul_ (originally 'animal's mouth', 'muzzle')
> _Snuut_ (originally 'snout')
>
The latter would be _snuten_ here, diminutive _snuytje_

> Du kriegst/bekommst gleich eine auf die Schnauze.
> Du kriegst/bekommst gleich eine auf's Maul.
>
> Krigst vourts/glyks eyn in de snuut.
> (Kriggst foorts/glieks een in de Snuut.)
> Krigst vourts/glyks eyn up't muul.
> (Kriggst foorts/glieks een up't Muul.)
>
> You'll get a punch in the mouth in a minute.
>
Voorts how ik u der eyne an 'n bek an (note the double usage of "an")
Ik geve u so 'nen strykerd an de kiwwe (kiwwe = cheek)

But since I'm not a particularly agressive person, and don't know the
language for it either, I'll have to leave it at those two examples.

groten,
Henry

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Morphology

Moyen, Henry!

The noun morphology varies greatly among the Saxon dialect groups.  In most 
cases it depends on degrees of simplification.

Here is what's it's like, by and large, in the North Saxon group of Germany:

First of all:

kop (masculine)
snuut (feminine)
muul (neuter)

vadder (masculine)
mouder (feminine)
kind (neuter)

de ~ dey

Definite:

Singular:
Nomin.I: de kop - de snuut - dat muul
Nomin.II: de vadder - de mouder - dat kind
Genit.I : vun (de)n kop - vun de snuut - vun (da)t muul
Genit.II: den vadder syn - de mouder er - dat kind syn
Subj.I: den kop - de snuut - dat muul
Subj.: den vadder - de mouder - dat kind

Plural:
Nomin.I: de köp - de snuten - dat muyler
Nomin.II: de vadders - de mouders - de kinder
Genit.I : vun de köp - vun de snuten - vun  muyler
Genit.II: de vadders (jüm) er - de mouders (jüm) er - de kinder (jüm) er
Subj.I: de köp - de snuten - de muyler
Subj.: de vadders - de mouders - de kinder

Indefinite:

Singular:
Nomin.I: eyn~'n kop - eyn(e)~'n(e) snuut - eyn~'n muul
Nomin.II: eyn~'n vadder - eyn(e)~'n(e) mouder - eyn~'n kind
Genit.I : vun eyn~'n kop - vun eyn(e)~'n(e) snuut - vun eyn~'n muul
Genit.II: eyn~'n vadder syn - eyn(e)~'n(e) mouder er - eyn~'n kind syn
Subj.I: eyn(en)~'n(en) kop - eyn(e)~'n(e) snuut - eyn~'n muul
Subj.: eyn(en)~'n(en) vadder - eyn(e)~'n(e) mouder - eyn~'n kind

Plural:
Nomin.I: köp - snuten - muyler
Nomin.II: vadders - mouders - kinder
Genit.I : vun köp - vun snuten - vun muyler
Genit.II: vadders (jüm) er - mouders (jüm) er - kinder (jüm) er
Subj.I: köp - snuten - muyler
Subj.: vadders - mouders - kinder

In other words, _'n_ or _eyn_ ('a') can be used for all genders and all 
cases these days.  This is how I do it ... and I LIKE it.  So there!  :-)

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron 

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