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13 January 2006 * Volume 02
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From: globalmoose at t-online.de <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.01.12 (04) [E]

Ben Bloomgren wrote:
>Could it be that some varieties had an umlauted u like Dutch fux for
fox?
>This may explain the i sound in vixen.

Ben, I think you're confusing something here. The Dutch word for "fox"
is "vos". Maybe you were thinking of German "Fuchs"; the female form,
"Füchsin", does sound a lot like "vixen".

Gabriele Kahn

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From: Heather Rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.01.12 (04) [E]

"fox VS. Vixen"

Eric Partridge in Origins says it is a dialect form
OE fox has  f    fyxen     whence dialect  vixen

OED is much more extensive and says i.a. that
the 'v' form not recorded before late 16th century
the 'f' form continued until early 18th century -= fixen

They equate it with 'füchsin" but say it is not recorded in OE which had
'fyxe' and and adjective 'fyxen'

So you pays your penny and you takes your choice!

Heather

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.01.12 (04) [E]

> From: Ben J. Bloomgren <godsquad at cox.net>
> Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.01.11 (01) [E]
>
> "fox VS. Vixen"
>
> Paul and all,
> Could it be that some varieties had an umlauted u like Dutch fux
> for fox? This may explain the i sound in vixen.
> Ben

Something like this happened already in Old-English:  (the Old-
English equivalent of) fox had a plural with
umlaut (or better, i-mutation, this mutation of vowels was a pan-
Germanic thing and happenened in all
Old-Germanic varieties), something like *föxen (or *füxen, not quite
sure, off the top of my head)
and Old-English, as Old-Frisian and (coastal) Old-Saxon derounded
these i-mutated vowels to e or i sounds.
This happened in bridge, ridge etc (Frisian brêge, rêch etc.) as well.

Henno

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From: Paul Tatum <ptatum at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.01.12 (01) [E]

Paul Finlow-Bates wrote:
> Many southwestern English people habitually voice all consonants, it's a
> common identifier of the region.  For example the county of Somerset is
> commonly pronounced "Zummerzet" by its inhabitants.
Hello t'other Paul,
Yes, you're quite right, of course, I forgot that (nearly) all s's (and
f's) get voiced. Does the voicing affect /T/ > /D/? I've never seen this
mentioned (because they're not distinguished orthographically? or
because it doesn't happen?)

Paul Tatum 

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