LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.07.06 (06) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 06 July 2006 * Volume 07
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From: Henry Pijffers <henry at saxnot.com>
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.07.06 (02) [E]

Heather wrote:
>
> One more point tho'
>
> <>Old English candidate (according to moi):
>
> wæsce 'washing place'
>
> This would have 'ss' = German 'sch' as well and 'chs'
>
> Any more ss/sch examples?
>
In my variety of Saxon we have waschen ('to wash'), dasche ('shawl'),
vischen ('(to) fish'), and perhaps a lot more, which I can't think of
right now.

(ch pronounced as k, as in all other words in my variety with -(s)ch-)

regards,
Henry

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Thanks, Henry.  That's on a continuum across the Netherlands-German border.  It's
written _sch_ but pronounced variously, closer to the Netherlands border as [sx],
[sG] and [sk] (in the latter case usually written _sk_), elsewhere as [S] (as in
English "ship" and "wash").  The [S] pronunciation applies in my native neck of
the woods.  So it's ...

schip (Schipp) [SIp] 'ship'
scheep (Scheep) [Se:p] ~ [SE:p] 'ships'
schan (Schann) [Sa.n] 'shame', 'disgrace'
schraag' [SrQ:.G] 'on an angle', 'crooked', 'pauper-like'
schruterig ["Sru:terIC] 'scary'
waschen ["vaS=n] 'to wash'
vischen (fischen) ["fIS=n] 'to fish'
witschern ["vItS3n] 'to whitewash'
twüschen ["tvYS=n] 'between'
aysch (eisch) [?a.IS] 'naughty', 'ill-behaved'
vuynsch (füünsch) [fy:nS] 'angry', 'aggressive'
oldsch (Olsch) [o.lS] 'old woman', 'crone'
Duytsch (düütsch) [dy:tS] 'German' (adjective)

In most dialects, /s/ does not turn to [S] before /p/, /m/, /t/, /n/ and /k/ (as
it does in most German varieties).  In other words, _sp_, _sm_, _st_, _sn_ and
_sk_ are pronounced as in English.  However, the German-like change does happen
in peripheral dialects, some of those geographically close to the "Central
German" dialects.  It also happens elsewhere among L2 speakers with a German accent.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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