LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.07.07 (04) [D/E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 07 July 2006 * Volume 04
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From: 'Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong' <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.07.07 (03) [E]

Hi Marcel, Wat betreft het "Leidse" dialect. Ik vraag me af of dat niet een
derivaat is van bekakte studententaal. Jacqueline

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From: 'Marcel Bas' <roepstem at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.07.07 (03) [E]

>Wow, Marcel! Thanks.
>
>Does this mean that Leiden Dutch has/had initial aspiration? That would be very
>unusual in Low Franconian.
>
>Regards,
>Reinhard/Ron

    Yep, and up 'til today I never thought this to be such a great deal, but in
the light of the discussion I realise that Leiden Dutch is quite a thing of its
own! There are many more things unusual about Leiden Dutch. Such as the strongly
retroflex close approximant 'r' in anlaut, medial and ablaut. Combined with the
Leiden _kh_ this yields the most unusual sound: "khr-" (almost khj-)

    "khr`eg tsoch dze khleiri"  = "krijg toch de klere"

    Best regards,

    Marcel.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology 

Hmmm ...  This seems typologically so aberrant and geographically so isolated
that I'm with Jacqueline and wonder if it's a case of affectation that caught on,
thus a sort of sociolect, be it a student language or whatever.

It reminds me of the uvular /r/ in certain England English circles.  We have
discussed it a while back, and the general concensus seemed to be that it was or
at least started as an affectation.  

Another example appears to be the Southern English pronunciation of /au/ (_ow_,
_ou_) as [aI] (e.g., "pound" sounding somewhat like "pined") that some here have
argued to be an affectation, although it may have begun in genuine dialects.  I
remember that the Prince of Wales used to use that pronunciation and that
meanwhile he's either toning it down or has actually gotten rid of it.  Or was
that some token Gallicism befitting his title, given that spelled _au_ is
pronounced [aI] in Modern Southern Welsh?  Is it pronounced that way in English
of Wales?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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