LL-L "Diversity" 2006.03.03 (12) [E]

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03 March 2006 * Volume 12
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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Diversity" 2006.03.03 (08) [E]


Pat Reynolds wrote:
"...the Co-op in Hay on Wye puts Welsh on top and largest (and sometimes
doesn't put the English on at all) ... and this store is in England."

That is an interesting example of overspill.

I understand there are a couple of thousand autochthonous (there's that word 
again) Welsh speaking communities situated in what is legislatively 
England - I have heard Oswestry described as a "Welsh-speaking town" more 
than once, which I took to mean it was a town with a Welsh-speaking 
minority, possibly migrant in origin. Historically Oswestry seems to have 
been Welsh-speaking until the modern era, though - the famous Celtic 
language scholar Edward Lhuyd hailed from there, and the town's western 
hinterland (situated in what is legislatively Wales) is still predominantly 
Welsh-speaking today.

I would be grateful if anyone on the list could clarify the pos! ition of 
ancient, autochthonous Welsh in Oswestry or any other part of the former 
Welsh marches in England. (Liverpool, of course, has long had an active 
Welsh-speaking minority but these by and large appear to be entirely 
migrants.)

Go raibh maith agaibh,

Criostóir.

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Diversity" 2006.03.03 (08) [E]


Further to Pat's experience in Hay-on-Wye, I should have mentioned that on 
my recent trip to Cornwall last month the local train company - well, when I 
say local it's actually headquartered in Bristol - had obviously purchased 
its train second hand from a company in Wales, because all the emergency 
instructions were in English and (liberally translated) Welsh.

Not exactly Cornish - if Wessex Trains even know or care that that language 
exists - but close enough that I had to do a momentary double take when I 
first sat down.

Go raibh maith agat,

Criostóir. 

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