LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.09 (06) [E/LS]

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09 March 2006 * Volume 06
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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language use"

Leyve Reinhard, Lowlanners,
(Engl. summary below)

> > A very traditional meal in my home-area 'Nordkehdingen'. If people
> > asked one another if they already had finished their meal they in LS
> > always said: "Hesst Du Dien Klüten all opp?". (_Klüten_[sg./pl.]: E:
> > dumpling, G: Kloß)
>
> As a vaguely relevant aside that especially our Dutch- and
> Afrikaans-speaking friends can relate to, please note that _kluyten_
> (<Klüten>, which I assume is related to English "clod") can also mean
> 'testicle(s).'  So please be careful when you use the word.
In uns' LS goht wi mit so 'n Kroom recht vörzìchtig üm: wi seggt _Klüten_ 
tou dat Eeten un' (missingsch??) _Klöten_ tou de Hoden. Op disse Wiis' kann 
amend nix scheef loupen...

Door fallt mi noch 'n poor anner' Wöör in:
1. _Klütenever_: een 'lütt Motòor-Schipp', allein för dat Föör'n opp Strööm- 
nich för de See (ne' tou verwesseln mit _Eber-Klöten_);

2. _Klöter-Kroom_: 'unnützen Schiet', man ouk 'n anner Woord för 'Klunker'= 
Juwelen (kunn' dor oppletzt een Tosomenhang tou _de Klöten_ ween?? DUDEN 
seggt:
"Klunker:

 Der vorwiegend nordd. Ausdruck für »Klümpchen; Troddel, Quaste« ist mit der 
nord. Sippe von schwed. mdal. klunk »Klumpen« und weiterhin mit dem unter 
Klüngel behandelten Wörtern verwandt. Ugs. wird »Klunker« auch im Sinne 
von »[baumelndes] Schmuckstück« verwendet.
Duden - Das Herkunftswörterbuch, 3. Aufl. Mannheim 2001 [CD-ROM])");

Door höört ouk noch tou: _klötern_: 'Krach mooken';  _klöterig_: 'slecht 
tomoot', 'krank'; _bregen-klöterig_: 'krank innen Kopp';

3. _klutig_, _Kluten_: 'Eerd-Bülten opp swoor' Ackerland'.

........................

English summary:
We handle these things very carefully: we use to say _Klüten_ to the food 
and _Klöten_ (though it's missingsch??) to 'testicles'. So we can't get 
wrong...

Some other words I just remember:
1. _Klütenever_: a 'small motor vessel' just to sail on rivers, not at open 
sea (not to mix up with _Eber-Klöten_, which could be the testicles of a 
boar)

2. _Klöter-Kroom_: 'useless things', but also E: 'jewels' (could there at 
last be a connection to _Klöten_? DUDEN says:
"Klunker:

 Der vorwiegend nordd. Ausdruck für »Klümpchen; Troddel, Quaste« ist mit der 
nord. Sippe von schwed. mdal. klunk »Klumpen« und weiterhin mit dem unter 
Klüngel behandelten Wörtern verwandt. Ugs. wird »Klunker« auch im Sinne 
von »[baumelndes] Schmuckstück« verwendet.
Duden - Das Herkunftswörterbuch, 3. Aufl. Mannheim 2001 [CD-ROM]");

Also to this group belongs: _klötern_: 'to make noise'; _klöterig_: 'in bad 
condition', 'ill'; _bregen-klöterig_: 'insane in the brain/mind';

3. _klutig_, subst. _Kluten_: those damn' 'big clod(s)' on heavy-soil 
farmland being prepared to be sown with seed.

 Greutens

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Thanks a lot, Jonny.  I think we're dealing with dialectical variation here.

I personally don't think there's any connection between _Klöten_ and 
_Klöterkraam_.  In my book they are _kloyten_ ["kl9It=n] ~ ["klOIt=n] versus 
_kloeter-_ ["kl9:t3`] (diphthong vs monophthong).  I understand that 
_Klöter-_ (AS _kloeter-_) and the vern _klötern_ (AS _kloetern_) mean 'to 
rattle', also in Hamburg Missingsch.  So _Klöterkraam_ is "rattling stuff", 
meaning 'this and that and sundry', usually with the connotation 
'worthless'.  Consider also Dutch _kleuterschool_ for 'kindergarten' or 
'preschool' (where the little ones rattle their rattles?).

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron 

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