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10 March 2006 * Volume 04
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From: Stellingwerfs Eigen <info at stellingwerfs-eigen.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.09 (11) [D/E]

Ron wrote:
> You misunderstood, Piet.

You're right Ron...
When I pushed the Send-button I saw my mistake...
Sorry...
mvg
Piet Bult

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From: Karl Schulte <kschulte01 at alamosapcs.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.09 (11) [D/E]

While the one is obviously related to "klatter" (which is what St Nick came 
down the chimney with - banging noises - the other (useless objects) is 
surely related to klutter, and perhaps even "klod" a useless, unintelligent 
oaf.

Karl

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From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"

Beste Ron,

You wrote:
> If you have to use the German-based system you should use the full
> system, which
> would be like this: <Klöten> vs <Klœter>, in Dutch-based spelling
> <kluiten>
> or <klöiten> or <kloiten> vs <kleuter> (in As spelling <kloyten> vs
> <kloeter>).  _Kloeter_ means 'rattle', such as a baby's toy rattle.
> _Kloetern_ means 'to rattle'.  (It refers to the sound of loose items
> inside
> something that is shaken.  So _kloeterkraam_ may mean "lots of loose bits
> and pieces.")
Don't remember the etymology of these words off of the top of my head,
but the meaning of "kleuter" that you mention above neatly coincides
with the Flemish word for "money for change", "coins", namely
"kluttergeld", money that rattles in your pocket *s* (opposed to bank
notes). Here in Brabant we'd say "klaa geld" ("klein geld"). Some words
that may be related: "ne kleuker" (= silly guy), "ne klot jèèr" (= a
lump of earth).

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hey, Luc!

> but the meaning of "kleuter" that you mention above neatly coincides
> with the Flemish word for "money for change", "coins", namely
> "kluttergeld", money that rattles in your pocket *s* (opposed to bank
> notes). Here in Brabant we'd say "klaa geld" ("klein geld").

So it's English "small change."  That makes a lot of sense, since it rattles 
around in your pocket, wallet or purse.

In North Saxon dialects most people say _lütgeld_ (<Lüttgeld>) and in German 
_Kleingeld_.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron 

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