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21 March 2006 * Volume 07
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From: Niels Winther <nielswinther at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L Etymology

Hello Ron, you wrote

> ... German dialects have _rappen_, Danish _rappe_, Swedish _rappa_ 'to
> make haste', and obsoletete English "to rap" in the same sense, also 
> Middle
> Saxon and Middle Duch as well as Swedish _rap(p)_ 'quick', 'rapid'.
> ...

also Old Norse adj: _hrappr_ 'quick' and verb: _hrapa_ 'to hurry' .
Cheers
Niels

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From: Kevin Caldwell <kevin.caldwell1963 at verizon.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.20 (04) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Interesting, Roger.  But can you come up with cognates in related
> languages?
>
> Ah, yes, German dialects have _rappen_, Danish _rappe_, Swedish _rappa_
> 'to
> make haste', and obsoletete English "to rap" in the same sense, also
> Middle
> Saxon and Middle Duch as well as Swedish _rap(p)_ 'quick', 'rapid'.
>
> But I still wonder if these either came from or are related to Latin and
> Old
> French *_rapid-_, also *_rap-_ as in Latin _rapio_ 'raptor', 'bird of
> prey'
> (attacking quickly? but that may be related to _rapo_ 'robber').

Latin-derived 'raptor', 'rapt', 'rapture', 'rape', etc. all come from a root
meaning roughly 'to snatch up, carry away'.

Kevin Caldwell (who has no Hawaiian name yet) ;)

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hi, Niels!

> also Old Norse adj: _hrappr_ 'quick' and verb: _hrapa_ 'to hurry' .

I didn't know those.  I was only aware of _hrapa_ 'to teeter', 'to 
collapse', 'to fall down', and _hrapan_ 'fall', 'collapse', probably related 
to _hrapi_ 'low-growing tree whose branches touch the ground', and _hrapi_ 
'(destructive) fire'.  They've been linked with Indo-European *_(s)kred-_, 
_(s)ker-_ 'to move', 'to swing', 'to teeter'.

> Kevin Caldwell (who has no Hawaiian name yet) ;)

Auē, kāhōhō!

Here you go:

Luawaianu-Nihinihi
(< *Ruawaihanu-Nifinifi)

anu (cold)
luawai (wellspring)
nihi (gentle, soft, careful)
nihinihi (very gentle, very careful, great care, careful observance,
   decorous(ness), fastidious(ness), finicky, "sticklerdom")

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.20 (01) [E]

Roger says: "Van Dale mentions 'gauw' both as adjective and adverb.
Personally I only use it as an adverb. What's more, I have never heard it
used as an adjective."
What about the word "gauwdief" (pickpocket) Roger? Hier gauw has the
function of an adjective although the entire word is a compound noun?
Jacqueline

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.20 (04) [E]

Hi all,

Are there similarities in other lowlands languages to the Afrikaans
'ras' meaning fast/quick, as in 'Hulle het met rasse skrede gewerk.

The only one I can think of is E. 'rush'.

The expression 'rasse skrede' is rather archaic in modern Afrikaans
and I have no clue where the 'skrede' comes from.

Regards,
Elsie Zinsser

Ron: Ah, yes, German dialects have _rappen_, Danish _rappe_, Swedish _rappa_ 
'to
make haste', and obsoletete English "to rap" in the same sense, also Middle
Saxon and Middle Duch as well as Swedish _rap(p)_ 'quick', 'rapid'.

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From: Clarkedavid8 at aol.com <Clarkedavid8 at aol.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.20 (04) [E]

Is 'rap' related to German "Rappe" = (fast?) black horse?

david clarke


  From: Roger Hondshoven <roger.hondshoven at pandora.be>
  Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.20 (01) [E]

  Thanks Ron. I don't think there's a connection with French rapide. Late
  Middle-Dutch already had a word 'rap', meaning "uit de band springend,
  dartel" (+/-breaking out from the traditional, playful). I am rather
  inclined to suspect a relation with Dutch '(zich) reppen' (to hurry).

  Kind regards,
  Roger

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  From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
  Subject: Etymology

  Interesting, Roger.  But can you come up with cognates in related 
languages?

  Ah, yes, German dialects have _rappen_, Danish _rappe_, Swedish _rappa_ 
'to
  make haste', and obsoletete English "to rap" in the same sense, also 
Middle
  Saxon and Middle Duch as well as Swedish _rap(p)_ 'quick', 'rapid'.

  But I still wonder if these either came from or are related to Latin and 
Old
  French *_rapid-_, also *_rap-_ as in Latin _rapio_ 'raptor', 'bird of 
prey'
  (attacking quickly? but that may be related to _rapo_ 'robber').

  Regards,
  Reinhard/Ron 

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