LL-L "Grammar" 2006.05.14 (06) [E/German]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 14 May 2006 * Volume 06
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From: "jonny" <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2006.05.14 (03) [E]

Liebe Gaby,

autsch!- Du bist wirklich verdammt gut!

> Would you actually say that Hemingway wrote a book titled "For who the
> bell
> tolls"?

Liebe Grüße

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: "Stellingwerfs Eigen" <info at stellingwerfs-eigen.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar"

Hi all,
about Who/Whom.
As a computerprogrammer I would say:

IF you want to hear that "whom" is right GO TO Kansas University at:
http://www.ku.edu/~edit/whom.html

ELSE

IF you want "whom" for dead GO TO Washington State University at:
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/who.html

ELSE continue argueing.

I'm sorry, I should not use the GO TO's in a good written program, wouldn't
I?
Mit een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf,
Piet Bult

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From: "Andy Eagle" <andy at scots-online.org>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2006.05.14 (03) [E]

Michael wrote:

>It would still be a faux pas to write "To Who It May Concern"
>in a letter of recommendation, I dare say.

"To Whom It May Concern" is to me a set phrase learnt by heart and not what
I would instinctively generate.

Gabriele wrote:

>Andy wrote:
>>Me and many other English speakers don't use whom at all. Who has the
right
>>to tell us we're wrong?

>Not wrong, really. Just not correct in the grammatical sense... :-)

>Would you actually say that Hemingway wrote a book titled "For who the bell
>tolls"?
>But I think this whole who/whom thing has been discussed here at length
>rather recently.

I'd quote the title as written by Hemmingway. If I had written it myself I
might have given it the title "Who the bell rings for" ;-)

Andy Eagle

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Grammar

I go along with Andy here.

These days it's "whom" or "who" in objective cases, depending on dialect,
sociolect or idiolect.

"To Whom It May Concern" is a set phrase, a
"lexicalized chunk."  "For Who the Bell Tolls" would sound right to many
were it not for the title of the famous novel.

I wouldn't be surprised if "whom" went the way "shall" after "I" and "we"
went -- give or take a couple of generations.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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