LL-L "Etymology" 2006.05.176 (02) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 17 May 2006 * Volume 02
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From: "Global Moose Translations" <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Levity" 2006.05.16 (05) [E]

Ben wrote:
>Dang it? I guess my mind was still thinking in
>Hispano-Italo-Franco-Portuguese. They all have falco/halcón/faucon or
>something thereabout. I've never thought of it being spelled with a w. What
>is the etymology of the w spelling.

That explains it - it never occurred to me that it should rhyme on "talk"; I
was thinking German-Dutch-Scandinavian-Slavic, mentally pronouncing the "l"
so that it would rhyme on "talc". No wonder I couldn't identify the word.

I suppose that "hawk" must be related to German "Habicht" (Accipiter
gentilis, the goshawk), thence the "w". As a child, I thought "Habicht" must
mean something like "Hab-ich-dich" ("gotcha!").

Gabriele Kahn

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From: "Global Moose Translations" <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: "Paul Finlow-Bates" <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>

From: "Ben J. Bloomgren"
Subject: LL-L "Levity" 2006.05.15 (01) [E]

What is the etymology of the w spelling. (of hawk)

  Old English had /hafoc/.  The median "f" is voiced, like "v".  It's a
relatively small shift from the dental fricative "f/v" to the labial
"w".

  Paul Finlow-Bates

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Ben,

The Proto-Germanic form of "hawk" is posited as *_*khabukaz_, derived from
Indo-European *_gabh-_ 'to seize'.

Paul mentioned Old English _hafoc_.  This is pronounced like _havoc_. 
However, the two are related only indirectly, if at all.  _Havoc_ comes
from Anglo-French _crier havok_, a single for warriers to plunder, going
back to French _havot_ 'plundering', 'devastation', related to Modern
French _avoir_, which is believed to come from either Latin _habere_ 'to
have', 'to possess' or from Germanic in the sense of 'seize' (cf. "hawk").
 Weird, huh?  So the base idea may be "to make one's own."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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