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L O W L A N D S - L  -  10 April 2007 - Volume 01

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.04.06 (03) [E]

> From: Ed Alexander <edsells at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.04.06 (02) [E]
>
> At 06:50 PM 04/06/07 -0700, Sandy wrote:
> >So as examples of Scots you cite a Northumbrian
>
> Linguistically speaking, yes.
>
> >, a Canadian
>
> Sir Sanford Fleming was born in Kirkcaldy, Scotland in 1827.
>
> >and Charles
> >II.
>
> Not a Scot?  You're kidding!  He was crowned King of Scots in Scone
> January
> 1, 1651, so at least people thought that back then.

No, the point is (or _was_ - if you were joking then it hardly seems to
matter) that modern Scots _aren't_ Scots in the original sense.

I used to have a language teacher who believed that Finnish and English
were closely related - and she was Finnish and had lived in England for
years so spoke both languages with perfect fluency.

She explained her theory to me and offered to bring her research papers
for me to read. I told her not to bother, but she brought them anyway -
a pile about five inches thick. I had a look, they were all about why
Finnish was related to English and not Hungarian. Each document had
attached correspondence between herself and the linguistics department
at Helsinki University, as she tried to persuade them to read her papers
and they tried to persuade her not to send any more.

I think maybe linguistics is a like astronomy in one way - it's one of
the few sciences where amateurs can still make important contributions.
Unfortunately there are at least two types of amateurs, those who
understand the subject, and those who don't (but go ahead anyway!).

And I see you've got Arthur started now  :)

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From: john welch <sjswelch at yahoo.com.au>
Subject: LL-L "History"[E]

Swedes on the Volga showed the link between bram as "state.pomp", "ship
mast" and Persian "revered" in religion.
(quote):
General information about Sweden... There are more ancient English coins
found in Sweden than there are in England, and over 90% of all the coins
found in Europe from Baghdad and surroundings have been found in Sweden
(Gotland to be precise).
..To Ibn Fadlan's friends this story must have been horrifying, as they were
educated Muslims. .. One of Ibn Fadlan's most interesting stories is about a
real Viking burial which he witnessed in the city of Atil (placed a bit
south of Bulgar)..at the bend of the Volga. This was a larger city where
Swedes met with Turks and other people from the south.
According to him the dead person's ship was brought up on shore and was
surrounded with fetishes of wood. The body was clothed in its finest
clothes, placed on cushions in a sitting position in a tent which was built
in the middle of the boat. ..  Afterwards they would throw a large heap of
dirt over the ashes and on top of it all they put a wooden pole on which
they wrote the name of the dead man and the name of their king.
Ibn tells us further: "When they arrived in this harbour (Bulgar) they left
their ships on the shore and brought with them meat, bread, milk and nobid
(an alcoholic beverage) and went to a high wooden pole with a carved head.
Around this pole there were other smaller statues and behind them other
large poles. The merchantman goes forward to the large pole in the center
and then he gets down on his knees and puts his head against the ground and
says: 'O, my god, I have been travelling a long way and I have brought so
and so many slaves and swords. Now I bring you these offerings.' This said,
he puts what he has in front of the wooden pole and says: 'I wish that you
send me a merchant of great wealth who will buy on my terms without
questions.' If the business is good he returns and sacrifices animals; if
not, he brings other offerings to the statues and asks them for help." (end
quote).
These 3 elements combine also at the Sutton Hoo stately ship-burial of Saxon
England.
John Welch

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