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L O W L A N D S - L  -  23 October 2007 - Volume 04
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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.10.22 (04) [D/E]

From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder < ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.10.22 (03) [D/E]

Aha... so the Jutes themselves were no Scandinavians yet, unlike their
present day descendants? Were the old Jutish Ingvaeonic West Germanics,
closely related to Anglians, Frisians and Saxons?
Btw present day Jutish of Jutland, Denmark, like Norwegian and Swedish,
but unlike the standard Danish of its home country, also has soft kj and gj

Ingmar

Hi Ingmar,
If you want to get an argument started in the area of Anglo-Saxon studies,
just raise the question of who the Jutes were, and where they came from!

I believe the current idea is that while they may have at some stage come
from the Jylland peninsula, their home prior to invading southern Britain
was somewhere round the Rhine Delta.  They seem to have had close ties with
the Franks, both before and after English settlement, again suggesting a
location sout of modern Denmark.

But the Geats (the people of the epic Anglo-Saxon hero Beowulf) have been
linked to the Jutes, and they seem to come from Scania in southern Sweden.
The East Angles also seem had pre-Viking Swedish connections,  being related
to the Vendel culture.

Then there is the question of when, and where, the sound-shifts that created
the specific North Germanic group. Did the "Scandinavianising" of areas like
Denmark happen in situ, or did new people come in?

The only thing you can be sure of, is that nobody seems too sure...

Paul Finlow-Bates

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