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From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"

Beste Ingmar,

Je schreef:

In Brabantish, an umlauted genitive form with 'e' is likely, but not in
Western varieties of Dutch, like Flemish, Zeelandic, Hollandic, and even
Western Brabantish, there we'd expect unmuted 'a'. So in those areas, do
we find equivalents suchas "Hallinck", "Hallinckx", "Halling", "Hallings"?

Yes, Hallynck, Halling and Allinckx are presently all attested in the
western part of Belgium (especially around Ghent and Poperinge). But also
during the Middle Ages they were found in the West:

1191 Rengerus Hallinc (in Varsenare)
1296 Iehan Hallinc (in Calais)

Density of the name (West vs. East) seems skewed these days, but that can be
due to:

   - use of a synonym for the coin in the West: mijt
   - the expiration of a family name in a certain region (even though it
   may have been popular before)

According to what you wrote, it's "e" everywhere, so then wouldn't this
name being derived of Hello, Hild or especially Hellin be more likely?

I don't rule it out, but it's hard to compare probabilities in linguistic
matters :-D .
There's even a third possibility, Hellinckx as a derivation of the placename
"Hellingen", which is located in Herne (southern  Pajottenland). This would
also match the present day geographical distribution. Similarly, nearby
community "Elingen" has apparently also given rise to a family name
"Elinckx", which is also spread evenly around "Elingen".
German last name "Hellinger" is usually explained as a habitational name for
someone from a place called Helling or Hellingen (2 of them, both roughly 20
and 35 km west of Coburg).

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology"

Beste Elsie

You wrote:

I thought the origin of 'Hellinckx' might derive from the word 'helling' (A)

as in opposite to a flat area, similar to name such as Van der Heuvel?

"Helling" and "hellen" (to slope) are natively not Southern Dutch; Kiliaan
(16th c.) already labelled them as typically Holl., which stood for
"Hollandish"; so I don't think my family name (attested well before Kiliaan)
has any relation to a slope. Thanks for the hint though ;-) .

By the way, the Dutch word "helling", for a slip dock, entered Russian as
"éling" (shipyard).

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: Soenke Dibbern <s_dibbern at web.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.03.12 (02) [E/German]

An'n Mi., den 12. Mär.'08, hett Lowlands-L List dit Klock 20.28 schreven:

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

> In German, *Schlamassel* only denotes 'bad/messy situation',
> 'misfortune'.
> While the opposite **Massel* either doesn't exist or is defunct (to my
> knowledge)

I think the expression "Massel haben" is quite normal (see also
http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Massel)

Congratulations for the medal, Ron!

Hool Di!
Sönke
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