LL-L "Genealogy" 2009.07.12 (05) [EN]

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From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <roger.thijs at euro-support.be>
Subject: LL-L History

In 2006 I did some DNA analysis with OxfordAncestors, AncestryByDNA and
FamilyTreeDNA.
Past month I did it again, this time with
www.23andMe.com<http://www.23andme.com/>
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What may be interesting for this group is: what clusters they find over the
globe, based on *one's total ancestry* (all chromosomes, not just the
paternal Y or the maternal MT).

The research is still going on, though they get momentarily much less DNA
cluster groups than one finds as groups in catalogues of language varieties.
Hamburgish and Bremerish may eventually be cataloguized differently, on DNA
level speakers may not be distinguishable.

I made printscreens of all the groups they position on the map. Some groups
can be drilled down into subgroups.

The main groups are on:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/00_global.jpg
The green ballon in the mid of European gives my own DNA position.
(The black balloons in Africa and Asia are reference ballons they use for
comparative presentation)

Drilling down one finds the European subgroups:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/01_european.jpg
My ballon is in the Northern European cluster.

Drilling further down
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/0101_northern_european.jpg
I end in the middle of a mix.

Since each element can be highlighted,
one sees I'm in the French-German overlapping clusters:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/010101_northern_european_french.jpg
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/010102_northern_european_german.jpg
Maybe a bit more centrally in the French cluster, but I doubt if this is
statistically signifcant.

Not too far away are the Norwegian ans Austrian groups:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/010103_northern_european_norwegian.jpg
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/010104_northern_european_austrian.jpg

The Irish form a very distinct group:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/010106_northern_european_irish.jpg
with the English as liaison with continental people:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/010105_northern_european_english.jpg

The Orcadians are streched over a large area of variety:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/010107_northern_european_orcadian.jpg
Could this be a result of inbreeding in small island groups, without
remixing to form clusters?

Two other European groups have lower layers
Eastern Europe: http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/0102_eastern_european.jpg
Southern Europe:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/0103_southern_european.jpg

Further on the globe:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/02_near_eastern.jpg
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/03_african.jpg
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/04_central_south_asian.jpg
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/05_native_american.jpg
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/06_oceanean.jpg
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/07_east_asean.jpg
with for the latter a subdivision for chinese:
http://www.euro-support.be/tmp/gen/0701_east%20asean_chinese.jpg

I think an error they make is "clustering per country" rather than "by
region".
e.g. France includes also the Flemish North and the Alsatian North-East.

Further, this kind of research is still at its beginning.

Can it be helpfull for understanding language development and language
varierty?

Regards,
Roger

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