LL-L "Culture" 2010.07.10 (03) [EN-NDS]

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: LL-L "Culture" 2010.07.09 (05) [EN-NDS]

Well, I guess that answers my earlier post about it! If you guys like it, go
for it I say!

Paul

 From: Jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de<http://uk.mc264.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonny.meibohm@arcor.de>>

Subject: LL-L "Culture" 2010.07.09 (02) [EN]

Reinhard schreyv:

> I’ve just been made aware of an initiative to institute a Low Saxon (Low
German) flag:

Dat hett Aort! Un' watt 'n smukke Flagg', hoyza dii! Sou 'n Ding kaomt bii
mii 'roppen Dakk!

Weyt'st all, wokeyn daor achter steekt??

Houl Dii!

Jonny Meibohm

Lower Saxony, Germany

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>

Subject: LL-L "History" 2010.07.09 (05) [EN-NDS]**

I'm English, and an atheist. But my flag is a red cross and I'm proud to
keep it that way.

The Christians co-opted the cross, they never invented it. Its symbolic
importance goes way beyond Christianity and four right-angles are a
mathematical feature of nature.  I like cresent moons too, as symbols, but
I'm not a Muslim and recognise no ownership of the image by them.

My criticism of this flag (as an outsider) was on grounds of aesthetics and
originality, not because of the cross. I think Denmark, Sweden and Scotland
have great flags too. To my eyes, Norway's, Iceland's and the United
Kingdom's are fussy hybrids, and this one falls in the same category.

Paul

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From: Heinrich Becker <heinrich.becker at gmx.net>

Subject: LL-L "History" 2010.07.10 (01) [EN-NDS]**

From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "History"

Beste Ron,

You wrote:

All this is very well and good ... Without wanting to poo-poo the said
(fine) flag effort, please allow me to play the devil’s advocate (on which
Jonny does not have the monopoly). Sure, I’m the first person to admit that
I have a religious bias. Aside from this, I do see the part about a link
with Scandinavia ... and I’m a major fan of Scandinavia myself, nay, of *all
* of the Nordic Countries (and I include Estonia, Finland, Livonia, Karelia
and the rest of what is now northwestern Russia).

Dear combattants,

the Holy cross of Scandiavians does never fit into the current thoughts of
Lowlands as they are discribed until now. That's a change of paradigma! As
long as I am member of the list, Scandinavia was kindly excluded in many
ways as a non Saxonian and linguistically independent aerea. It would be
contradictive to loan their symbols for Lowland purposes of identification..

B.T.W. The Danebrog (Danish flag) was the first of this kind. All  other
Northlands imitated this basic form and added their colours to the flag.
Again, the symbol of the cross should remain north of German / Danish
border. The colours are O.K.

Heinrich Becker

Berlin

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at fleimin.demon.co.uk>

Subject: LL-L "History" 2010.07.10 (02) [EN]**

> From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Subject: LL-L "Culture" 2010.07.09 (02) [EN]

> As I say, not my land (though arguably that of my forbears, or some of
> 'em at least); but if it was, I can't see that thing firing up my
> sense of national identity.

I wonder if there isn't some sort of boring inevitability about it? The
feeling of national identity might already be so strong in such a person
that any old rag will do.

Sandy Fleming
http://flagsareboring.com/

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