LL-L "Phonology" 2011.09.07 (02) [EN]

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From: Theo Homan <theohoman at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.09.06 (02) [EN]


From: Brooks, Mark mark.brooks at twc.state.tx.us
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.09.02 (02) [AF-EN-NDS-NL]

[...]

Coincidentally, the town in Texas that has the largest of the wildfires in
my area is Bastrop. Bastrop is about 30 – 50 km east of Austin. History
tells us it was settled by the Dutch. I don’t know if that’s true, but they
sure could use some water right now.

[...]

Mark Brooks

Hi,

cf.: Bastrop:

in the south of the Netherlands [province of Brabant] they always had
family-names ending on -trop.

vr. gr.
Theo Homan


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From: heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2011.09.06 (02) [EN]


from Heather Rendall  heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk

Marcus wrote: words with metathesis and without metathesis must have
existed even before the Angles and Saxons went to Britain (e.g. "-
thorp/-dorp" vs. "-throp/-drup" in placenames).”

Metathesis is very much part of English dialect too (still?) viz
Althorpe  The home of Earl Spencer - pronounced locally as Altrup.
This must have occurred (long?) after the A/S arrival.

Not saying that it wasn't going on before, but just that metathesis
seems to be part of the linguistic makeup of a swathe of Germanic
speakers : perhaps it has a genetic source that leads people to hear
sounds in reverse. I am still bowled over by  Ross >  Ors    visually
it looks acceptably logical but aurally - as it would have had to have
been in illiterate times - it is an amazing and seemingly inexplicable
step.

Heather
Worcester UK

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