LL-L "Etymology" 2012.09.12 (01) [EN]

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From: Luc Vanbrabant lucv32 at gmail.com
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2012.09.03 (01) [EN]

Hi Ron,

This is what my 'Larousse dictionnaire d' étymologie' says:
Hache (1138) comes from Francique (Frankisch: Oud-Nederlands) *hapja
hacher (1314) written as hagier by Mondeville
hachis (1280) written as hagis by Bibbesworth
'hapja' can mean 'hapke' (a little ax to cut or a little snack)

Groetjes,
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene


From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Hi, Lowlanders!
>
> I am confident I am not the first person that wonders and has a hunch
> about the origin of the Scots word *haggis*.
>
> Just briefly for those of you that are not yet familiar with it, a *haggis
> * (the word also being used in English) is a savory pudding, basically
> consisting of mixed offal and oatmeal cooked in an animal's stomach.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis
>
> The oldest known version of the word is *hagese'*:
> *For hagese'.* *Þe hert of schepe, þe nere þou take,**Þo bowel noght þou
> shalle forsake,* *On þe turbilen made, and boyled wele,**Hacke alle
> togeder with gode persole,* I wonder if the word is related to he Scots
> verb *hag* 'to hack', 'to chop'. (and its nominal derivation *hagger*'someone that chops clumsily').
>
> Is this word "Germanically" related to *hack*, which is used in Scots
> also?
>
> It has been suggested that *haggis* (< *hagise'*) goes back to the Norman
> non-palatalized equivalent of French *hachis* 'something chopped" (e.g.
> English "hash"). If this were correct, would we then not also have to
> assume that the Scots verb *hag* is Norman-derived?
>
> Clarissa Dickson Wright claims that it "came to Scotland in a longship
> [ie. from Scandinavia] even before Scotland was a single nation."Dickson-Wright further cites etymologist Walter William Skeat as further
> suggestion of possible Scandinavian origins: Skeat claimed that the *hag–*element of the word is derived from the Old Norse
> *haggw* or the Old Icelandic *hoggva*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis#cite_note-7>(
> *höggva* in modern Icelandic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis#cite_note-8>),
> meaning 'to hew' or strike with a sharp weapon, relating to the chopped-up
> contents of the dish. One theory claims that the name "haggis" is derived
> from Norman French. Norman French was more guttural than modern French so
> that the "ch" of "hachis", i.e. "chopped", was pronounced as the "ch" in
> "loch", giving "haggis". This conjecture, however, is discredited by the *Oxford
> English Dictionary*.
>
> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis#cite_note-9>
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
> Seattle, USA

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