article on Aztecs II

[micc]

dear Michael,

I can understand your distaste for the Germanic, but I also understand
the use of the K by many for the hard C sound.  As you well know that in
Spanish and English the C can be a mask for the S sound as well as the k
sound, so for those who are Spanish/English bilingual, (Like many
Chicanos, who I guess are the target victims... I mean target audience
of the book in question) the K is an artifice that helps relay the
original sound of the Nahuatl....


Now that K also promises a problem when a K reader suddenly runs into a
Maya word....since the K in Maya means a hard C sound followed by a
glottla stop....I think????

thanks for the message!!!

mario

Michael Mccafferty wrote:
>
> Well, micc, I don't think the unit phoneme that you discuss is the problem
> here.
>
> The thing that first struck me, like a huge fist, was the overbearing
> Germanic -k- in the first syllable.  Mok-????????
>
> Pow!
>
> On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, micc wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Richard Haly wrote:
> > >
> > > Ouch....
> > >
> > > languages (ie. non european ones) where this happens. The spelling of
> > > Moteuczomah as Moktekuzoma is (as J. Richard Andrews can teach us) a flag
> > > that this person doesn't know Nahuatl.
> >
> >
> > why do you say that Moktekuzoma is incorrect and moteuczomah is correct?
> >
> > the problem arises with the othrographic representation of the Kw sound
> > in Tekwtli. originally it was written  by the spanish as
> > tecutli, teuctli and teoctli, by several sources.
> >
> > But we know that the word has a kw sound and not a -cu sound nor a -euc
> > sound.
> > Like in xipe Totekw (Xipe totec)
> >
> > Hmmm....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  This kind of PC appropriation
> > > (Chicano of Nahua) is one of the things that I (Ph.D in hand) hate about
> > > academia. First the reconquista and now the reteconquista.
> > >
> > > There are serious ethical issues of representation that such a book brings
> > > up. I, who have done over 25 years of "fieldwork" with Nahuas and speak it
> > > passably (understand it better) will only claim in my writings that what I
> > > write is
> > > a product of my _interaction_ with Nahua speakers. I am NOT PostModern
> > > enough to admit such readings of the sources as Vento apparently feels
> > > entitled to.
> > >
> > > ye ixquich.
> > >
> > > Richard Haly
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > >From: Mel Sanchez <melesan at pacbell.net>
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list <nahuat-l at server.umt.edu>
> > > >Subject: Re: article on Aztecs II
> > > >Date: Sun, Aug 08, 1999, 21:07
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Take a look at this from amazon.com:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ts/book-contents/0761809201/qid=934166
> > > > 480/sr=1-17/002-5080852-7218268
> >
>
> Michael McCafferty
> C.E.L.T.
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> mmccaffe at indiana.edu
>
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