Not really about Spanish "Gods"

Sat Apr 15 03:00:23 UTC 2000

i am very sorry - i don't know how this happened - i was sending a message
to a totally different person!  sorry for the confusion!  Heather

>From: "Heather Hess" <heatherhess at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: nahuat-l at server.umt.edu
>To: Multiple recipients of list <nahuat-l at server.umt.edu>
>Subject: Re: Not really about Spanish "Gods"
>Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:35:29 -0600
>
>hola!  donde vive!  yo vive en canada ahora - regressa mexico en julio!!!!
>
>Yolohtzin
>
> >From: carlos.robles at valeo.com
> >Reply-To: nahuat-l at server.umt.edu
> >To: Multiple recipients of list <nahuat-l at server.umt.edu>
> >Subject: Re: Not really about Spanish "Gods"
> >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:42:38 -0700
> >
> >Your comment is accurate, not exactly about the original mentioned subj=
> >ect but
> >very good.
> >I am Mexican and I feel more proud of my Mexican part rather than my Sp=
> >anish
> >one, as you know we are the result of a mix of local inhabitants depend=
> >ing on
> >the region, Spaniards and Arabs who conquested Spain for 7 centuries. I=
> >  have
> >been in Spain and the people is not very nice neither with foreign peop=
> >le nor
> >with people from different Spanish regions.
> >But my real interest is to emphasize that the language?s morphology ref=
> >lect
> >their speaking people habits, morals and behaviors.
> >The Nahuatl has three different speaking formats:  plain, formal and ve=
> >ry
> >formal; the way the pure Aztecs were ennobling the human being.
> >And the words themselves reflect the regard people has to others, for i=
> >nstance
> >"Tlasohkamahtli", Thanks means literately ?love to you through my mouth=
> >?.
> >I hope this message do not offend Spaniards but It is true.
> >Best regards
> >And thanks for your comment.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Heather Hess" <heatherhess at hotmail.com> on 26/01/2000 02:25:20 PM
> >
> >Please respond to nahuat-l at server.umt.edu
> >
> >To:   Multiple recipients of list <nahuat-l at server.umt.edu>
> >cc:    (bcc: Carlos ROBLES/Sanluis/VWS/VALEO)
> >Subject:  Re: Spanish "Gods"
> >
> >
> >=
> >
> >I want to reply to this subject on a very personal note.  I am Canadian=
> >  and
> >have spent much of my last few years in Mexico.  I have had varied
> >experiences learning Nahautl and am associated with Aztec Dancers so ha=
> >ve
> >first hand information.  These people that are my friends are hospitabl=
> >e
> >before anything ' they open up their doors ' give you food ' hospitalit=
> >y '
> >anything I ever need is just there.  The Spaniards when they came also
> >received a warm welcome but abused and took advantage of the Aztecas!  =
> >I can
> >only say that if only the rest of the world could learn to open up thei=
> >r
> >doors to people the way Mexicans do we wouldn=B4t have so much trouble =
> >in the
> >world right now!  We must quit worrying about trivialities and get down=
> >  to
> >the basics!  We as a tiny particle of this world must learn to once aga=
> >in
> >respect and be open to people more than we are to material goods ' movi=
> >es
> >fit into that category ' movies are for entertainment ' they are not to=
> >  be
> >taken seriously ' people that see movies come to their own conclusions =
> >'
> >people that are aware will realize the misgivings of what is popular in=
> >  the
> >eyes of the public ' those that are not aware ' well ' for them there i=
> >s no
> >hope!  Forgive the format of this message ' I have to pay for computer =
> >time
> >so didn=B4t stop to format this opinion!
> >
> >Itzpapalotzin
> >
> >
> > >From: Richard Haly <Richard.Haly at colorado.edu>
> > >Reply-To: nahuat-l at server.umt.edu
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list <nahuat-l at server.umt.edu>
> > >Subject: Spanish "Gods"
> > >Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:41:01 -0700
> > >
> > > > The entire
> > > > "Cortes-Quetzalcoatl" scenario appears only in the later accounts. =
> >While
> > > > it is fairly clear that Nahuas applied the term "teotl" to the Span=
> >ish
> > > > early on, it is also clear that the Spanish thought they were being=
> >
> > >called
> > > > "gods" and that they relished the idea, despite the fact that the N=
> >ahuas
> > > > never revered them as gods. To pretend that identifying "whites" as=
> >  gods
> > > > is a generic "native" reaction to "superior strangers" is arguably
> > >racist.>>
> > >
> > >The problem with thinking that Nahuas considered Spaniards to be gods
> > >resides not in Nahua "naivete" nor in Spanish presumption but in our o=
> >wn
> > >unexamined assumptions of what gods are. If we go back to what Nahuas
> > >called
> > >Spaniards we find teotl and we also find that they spoke of their own
> > >rulers
> > >using the same term. The issue is  not one of deifying Spaniards but o=
> >f
> > >humanizing "gods." What is teotl? Recall that commoners could not look=
> >
> > >directly at Moteuczomah just as they could not look directly at the su=
> >n.
> > >Too
> > >much tonalli (radiance). They would be blinded. It is lots more produc=
> >tive
> > >to think of both Nahua rulers and Spaniards as these sort of man-gods.=
> >
> > >
> > >What I don't understand are all these stereotypical interpretations on=
> >
> > >either side. Perhaps it's time to again trot out a quote that appears =
> >every
> > >so often here: Walt Kelley (creator of Pogo): "We have met the enemy a=
> >nd he
> > >is us."
> > >
> > >Richard Haly
> > >
> >
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