INDIANS, INDIOS, INDIGENOUS, AND INDIGESTION FOR IGNOBLE INTROVERTS

Sun Feb 6 19:35:35 UTC 2000

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	John Sullivan
	Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas

-----Mensaje original-----
De: nahuat-l at server.umt.edu [mailto:nahuat-l at server.umt.edu]En nombre de
micc at home.com
Enviado el: Sábado, 05 de Febrero de 2000 06:34 p.m.
Para: Multiple recipients of list
Asunto: INDIANS, INDIOS, INDIGENOUS, AND INDIGESTION FOR IGNOBLE INTROVERTS

My most revered child,

You seem to be one of the many young and insecure Chicanos who, having
suddenly realized their "indigenismo" suddenly turn sacred, holy, and
arrogant.

there are MILLIONS of indigenous people, from the tip of Alaska, to the
tip of Tierra del fuego, that have learned to deal with that word
indio.  Zapata called himself "un indio", and he was truly a greater
yaochquichtli than a mocoso intellectual fanatic that lives his/her life
in the shadows of the internet discussion groups.

someday, when you have grown up, travel throughout this beautiful land,
talk to the elders, and learn to do away with, even KILL your anger and
hatred.  It does no one any good.... especially you.

You write to me in English, ARE YOU ENGLISH???? did your mother and
grandmother pray to coatlicue and chicomecoatl?  did your grandfather
offer blood sacrifice from his penis, overtime he harvested the
mosquito larvae from your local hueyapan?  Do you currently wear a
tilma' to work?

i bet you wear baggy jeans, a bandana or two, use athletic shoes, or
work boots, and perhaps even have a TV and CD player in your house...

YOU NOR I CANNOT CHANGE THE PATH OF HISTORY.  MASSACRES, WARS, PLAGUES,
AND CONQUEST ARE THE LOT OF ALL HUMANITY.  AS LONG AS THERE ARE PEOPLE
DOMINATED BY HATE AND ANGER, THIS WILL ALWAYS BE. As soon as the young
treasures of our nation, people such as yourself, can find it in their
heart to teach kindness, justice, truth and peace,      then and only
then
can the nightmare of human greed, violence, and murder end.  greed has
never been caused by true love.  Only by arrogance and
self-centeredness, whether it is individual, or national.

You my son, most precious feather, must not fall into this darkness.
Only Ometoetl can ever know why history has developed as it has.  Are
you arrogant enough (like the "White man you so hate) to think that your
mind is the way the Earth, its history, and its people, should be?

"your experience" in self-determination, is an illusion.  as long as you
are part of any society (nation of Aztlan, republican party, Ricky
martin fan club, or molotov fan club) you will always rely on that
society's "determination" as to what is appropriate and acceptable.
True determination, self, group, or otherwise comes from understanding
the great message of Ometoetl.  your political centered world view
ignores the greater law of justice. In the final analysis, what happens
on this planet, and what happens to our people is OF ABSOLUTELY NO
CONSEQUENCE TO THE UNIVERSE.....  I hope you do not believe that if we
do not pray and sacrifice to the gods, the world will end.....for that
self centered egotism is the most abominable of sins in the eyes of the
lord and lady of creation.  that is why the Mexi'ca were abandoned so
many centuries ago....abandoned by their gods, their friends and their
enemies.  because they believed that the world needed them to exist.
the tragic truth was that THEY needed everybody else (that they
oppressed, like the EURO-AFRICAN CENTERED ACADEMIA does today) to exist.

In chipahuac ihuan chicahuac.  4 words speak what all the "isms" of your
world view cannot say.  508 years of hatred, violence, war, and genocide
cannot ever be erased.  But do you want our people to spend the next 508
years seething with anger and hate????

Remember, this is the third millennium of the european calendar, and IT
IS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN OF THE KATUN.  YOU HAVE ONLY 11 YEARS LEFT TO
BURY YOUR ANGER, AND FOLLOW THE PATH OF LIGHT.  ONCE THIS KATUN ENDS, IF
WE DO NOT HAVE OUR CUITLATL TOGETHER "INDIGENOUS" TO ALL CONTINENTS,
THEN WE WILL BE FORCED TO REPEAT THE PAST KATUN.

remember most precious nephew,  most sacred wind, WHAT YOU DO TODAY, IS
GOING TO HELP YOU OR HURT YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE......

take a risk....join the world....life is a blessing.....

InLak'ech nopiltzin

 Thank you for
> your time in reading my email.

Mario E. Aguilar
Quetzalcoatl Cuauhtlecoc

Yaoxochitl at aol.com wrote:
>
> You really should change the word "indio" to indigena.  It is insulting to
> the indigenous people of Anahuac.  Those that are ignorant call the
> indigenous people of Anahuac, "indio".  Please do not get the wrong
> impression from me; I am not calling you ignorant.  It is from my own
> experience through self-determination that I have learned that the term,
> "indio" is a pejorative term among indigenos.  I suggest you change the
name.
>  Everybody knows that this term is a 500+year-old bad habit generated by
that
> idiot, Cristobal Colon when he thought he landed in the east Indies.
Hence,
> the term Indian accurately belongs to the people of India.  Thank you for
> your time in reading my email.

Michael Mccafferty wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sat, 5 Feb 2000 Yaoxochitl at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Please rid yourself of the term "indian" from your vocabulary when
referring
> > > to the indigenous people of these lands.  It is an inaccurate label.
> > >
> >
> All the Indians I know, including my Cherokee relatives, refer to
> themselves as Indians. No one is particularly enamoured of the term
> "Native American." It sounds contrived, like something
> concocted in a scientist's laboratory. "Native American" is, of course,
> used in official correspondence with the government and that sort of
> thing.
>
> When you think about it, Germans are not really Germans. That term just
> refers to a Germanic-speaking tribe. And how about the French? There they
> are bearing the name of *German* tribe. Wonder if the French thought
> about that during WW I and WW II.
>
> Fortunately, as a soothing balm for the inordinately politically correct,
> English at least no longers uses "savages" to denote American Indians.
> This unfortunate term, of course, was simply a skewed borrowing from the
> French /sauvages/, 'wild ones'. However, it is dismaying how often
> "savages" continued to be seen in the work of historians even into the
> second half of the 20th century.
>
> Michael McCafferty
> Indiana University