Translation Assistance for Nahua-inspired Lullaby

[John Sullivan]

Michael,
	Tiocuahuitl is used for making huapalli, "boards", and the bark is used for incense in ceremonies, not as frequently though, as copalli.
John

On Oct 12, 2010, at 6:40 AM, Michael McCafferty wrote:

> Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
> 
>> In Modern Huastecan Nahuatl, cedar is tiocuahuitl (teo-tl, cuahuitl).
>> John
> 
> Is it used in religious ceremonies?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Campbell, R. Joe wrote:
>> 
>>> Cindy,
>>> 
>>>  Michael has already offered the answer with his "pochotl" and "ahuehuetl"
>>> (note lack of vowel length).
>>> 
>>>  Dibble and Anderson did not include "juniper" as a translation for
>>> "ahuehuetl" anywhere in the Florentine Codex, but "pochotl" and
>>> "ahuehuetl" have a high rate of co-occurrence, mainly due to their
>>> partnership in a "difrasismo", with the meaning of 'refuge'.
>>> 
>>>  Louise C. Schoenhaus, in her _A Spanish-English Glossary of Mexican
>>> Flora and Fauna_ (published by the Summer Institute of Linguistics),
>>> says:
>>> 
>>>  juniper (Juniperus spp., e.g., J. monticola)  cedro blanco, cedro,
>>>  cipre's, enhebro, junipero, ta'scate, tlaxcal (page 185)
>>> 
>>> ...so since "ahuehuetl" is a cypress (as Michael said), the circle is
>>> closed... or is it a triangle?
>>> 
>>> Iztayomeh,
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
>>> 
>>>> Quoting Cindy Williams Gutierrez <cindy at grito-poetry.com>:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Nahuatl Enthusiasts:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can someone kindly help with a translation of the following lines (or
>>>>> point me to a resource for translation):
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *	"Sleep, small one"
>>>>> *	"Let me be the cottonwood, the juniper"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm a sucker, perhaps a buffalo fish, so I'll take the bait.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Xicochi, conetzin,
>>>> Xinechchihuacan in pochotl, in X..."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> X means I don't have "juniper" in my Nahuatl vocabulary, or so I think.
>>>> I have it in Navajo, French, and Miami-Illinois, but not in Nahuatl.
>>>> 
>>>> Could I interest you in fir, pine, or cypress?
>>>> 
>>>> oyametl 'fir', ocotl 'pine', ahuehuetl 'cypress'
>>>> 
>>>> :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Hopefully, someone else can supply the juniper.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm working on a Nahua-inspired lullaby poem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you kindly,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy WG
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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