noun as adverb

[Jesse Lovegren]

Hi John
  Thanks for the example and for clarifying the "ilnamiqui" example (I had
been wondering what the double applicative was for!)


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM, John Sullivan <idiez at me.com> wrote:

> Hi Jess,
> In Modern Huastecan Nahuatl the set ihtlani/ihtlania/ihtlanilia is
> similar. From what I understand ihtlania and ihtlanilia are alternate
> applicatives of ihtlani. The problem is that ihtlani can only be used with
> a specific object meaning, “to ask for a woman‘s hand in marriage.” In all
> other cases we have:
> 1. Nitlahtlani, “I ask (a question) or I make a request.”
> 2. Nimitztlahtlania or Nimitztlahtlanilia, “I ask you a question or I make
> you a request.”
> 3a. Nimitztlahtlania queniuhqui motocah, “I ask you what your name is.”
> 3b. Nimitztlahtlanilia queniuhqui motocah, “I ask you what your name is.”
> 3c. Nimitztlahtlania ce peso, “I ask you for a peso.”
> 3d. Nimitztlahtlanilia ce peso, “I ask you for a peso.”
> I all of the 3s, the “external object” is not supported by the verb.
> One more thing regarding your first example with ilnamiqui. In the example
> it has two applicative subjects. One is eliminated by the reverencial, but
> that leaves two objects for the verb: one that ilnamiqui takes naturally
> and the other from the applicative. So one would correspond to tech- and
> the other to “in tocnoyo”. So that phase isn‘t technically adverbial, it‘s
> an object.
> John
>
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 11:43 AM, "John F. Schwaller" <schwallr at potsdam.edu>
> wrote:
>
>  OMG
>
> Lightbulb moment.
>
> THANK YOU
>
> Tlazohcamati huel miac.
>
>
>  On 11/2/2012 1:35 PM, John Sullivan wrote:
>
> Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
> 	I have never quite understood some structures in Modern Huastecan Nahuatl such as the following, “Nitlaxtlahuaz ome pesoh.” “I‘m going to pay two pesos.” The verb “ixtlahua” can only take the “tla-” object, which won‘t allow us to specify the object. I can add the applicative, “Nimitztlaxtlahuiliz.” “I‘m going to pay you.” Or “Nimitztlaxtlahuiliz ome pesoh.” “I‘m going to pay you two pesos.” But again, the specific amount of money can‘t be an object of the verb.
> 	So after going back to Andrews (2003, p. 512), I see at the beginning of Lesson 49, “Xochitl ancueponqueh.” “You(pl.) have budded like flowers.” So a stand alone noun can function as an adverb. So perhaps the two pesos in the modern example is an adverb talking about HOW I paid you.
> John
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