Nahuatl Digest, Vol 284, Issue 3

Sat Jan 26 03:44:38 UTC 2013

ki temohua: busca (3ra. persona),  María ki temohua i koton (Maria busca su atuendo/vestimenta).

ni temok/ o nitemok: baje, Ik ompa inrtemik (por ahí baje).

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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. temo, temoa (John Sullivan)
>    2. Re: temo, temoa (Michael McCafferty)
>    3. Re: temo, temoa (Michael McCafferty)
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> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:23:05 -0600
> From: John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>
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> Subject: [Nahuat-l] temo, temoa
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> Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
> 	I am editing a text in Modern Tlaxcalan Nahuatl for publication, and there is something I can't explain. The intransitive verb, "to descend", which according to my logic should be nitemoc (pret), nitemo (pres.) and nitemoz (fut), actually works like this:
> nitemoc (pret)
> nitemoa (pres.)
> nitemoz (fut.)
> 	What in going on with this mictlantlahtolli? And I've double-checked: that final "c" in the singular preterite really is a "c".
> 	I know that some verbs fudge around between verb classes depending on the tense (like "to go", for example), but I don't know if there is a better explanation here.
> John
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> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:08:09 -0500
> From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
> To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] temo, temoa
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> Of course, nitemohua, as far as I know, would be, at least in the 
> classical language, ungrammatical. But, as you know, John, -oa is often 
> written for -ohua.
> 
> Interesting. Always a surprise.
> 
> We just discovered over the last twenty-four hours that a 
> pan-Algonquian verb root for 'trade, buy' got lost in the Algonquian 
> language Miami-Illinois and then was brought back by *French* traders 
> who had learned the verb root from other Algonquian-speaking groups, 
> and then Miami-Illinoized to look just like it would have looked before 
> it was lost.
> 
> Michael
> 
> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
> 
> > Could nitemoa be the non-active form of temo, i.e., nitemohua?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
> >
> >> Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
> >> 	I am editing a text in Modern Tlaxcalan Nahuatl for publication, and
> >> there is something I can't explain. The intransitive verb, "to
> >> descend", which according to my logic should be nitemoc (pret),
> >> nitemo (pres.) and nitemoz (fut), actually works like this:
> >> nitemoc (pret)
> >> nitemoa (pres.)
> >> nitemoz (fut.)
> >> 	What in going on with this mictlantlahtolli? And I've
> >> double-checked: that final "c" in the singular preterite really is a
> >> "c".
> >> 	I know that some verbs fudge around between verb classes depending
> >> on the tense (like "to go", for example), but I don't know if there
> >> is a better explanation here.
> >> John
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> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:50:19 -0500
> From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
> To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] temo, temoa
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> Could nitemoa be the non-active form of temo, i.e., nitemohua?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
> 
> > Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
> > 	I am editing a text in Modern Tlaxcalan Nahuatl for publication, and
> > there is something I can't explain. The intransitive verb, "to
> > descend", which according to my logic should be nitemoc (pret),
> > nitemo (pres.) and nitemoz (fut), actually works like this:
> > nitemoc (pret)
> > nitemoa (pres.)
> > nitemoz (fut.)
> > 	What in going on with this mictlantlahtolli? And I've
> > double-checked: that final "c" in the singular preterite really is a
> > "c".
> > 	I know that some verbs fudge around between verb classes depending
> > on the tense (like "to go", for example), but I don't know if there
> > is a better explanation here.
> > John
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