xitomatl

[Michael McCafferty]

Also curious about how one gets from toma:hui to tomatl.

Michael

Quoting Susana Moraleda <susana at losrancheros.org>:

> Thank you!!
> so......... xitomatl = xihuitl + tomahua = xiuhtomatl =
> intensely-swollen (thing)?
>
>
>
> On 24/07/2013 04:13, John Sullivan wrote:
>> Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
>> 	I think we have already discussed this on the list, but here goes.
>> 1. tomatl is a morpheme, or at least its root, "toma-" is. You can
>> add the intransitive verbing suffix, "-hua" to it to get "tomahua".
>> 2. the noun "xihuitl", meaning "grass, green stone, turquoise". This
>> is cited from Fran's dictionary where she adds "It also serves as a
>> modifier for heat, indicating intensity" (324). So we put "xihuitl"
>> into its combining form, "xiuh", add it to "tomato" and we get
>> "xiuhtomatl".
>> 	This "xiuh-" is also used in Huastecan Nahuatl to big things, so a
>> "xiuhtlacatl" is a very big man.
>> John
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Michael McCafferty
>> <mmccaffe at indiana.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting Susana Moraleda <susana at losrancheros.org>:
>>>
>>>> Niltze nocniuhhuan,
>>>> I would like to understand, once and for all, the real ethymology of
>>>> the word XITOMATL. I've searched and searched, and found many
>>>> different (and often absurd) sources, but three are the ones that are
>>>> almost omnipresent.
>>>>
>>>> XICTLI, navel
>>>> XITOMA, peel off
>>>> TOMAHUAC, fat
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is a good question, Susana.
>>>
>>> xi:ctli is not the source, as we'd have xi:ctomatl instead xi:tomatl.
>>>
>>> Someone once told me that 'tomatl' came from toma:hua 'swell', but
>>> I don't think so.
>>>
>>> It seems the origin is the "peel" idea, and that there is a
>>> morpheme with two allomorphs, xi:p- and xi:-, and they refer to
>>> peeling. The toma is toma/tomi 'for something to loosen up'. Sounds
>>> like people skinned these colorful xi:tomatl.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
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