Fw: Totlahtol

[Michael Swanton]

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From: Michael Swanton <mwswanton at yahoo.com>
To: Guillaume Jacques <rgyalrongskad at gmail.com>; "nahuatl at lists.famsi.org" <nahuatl at lists.famsi.org> 
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Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Totlahtol
 


The "Carochi orthography" was the most sophisticated orthography used during the colonial period. We owe a great deal of our understanding of "Classical Nahuatl" to it. I find McCafferty's comments about it having "little value" to be utterly baffling.

Michael Swanton



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 From: Guillaume Jacques <rgyalrongskad at gmail.com>
To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Totlahtol
 

I am not a Nahuatl scholar, but as an outsider I think that the Carochi
orthography (perhaps with some modifications to facilitate its typeability,
especially concerning th glottal stop) is still the best orthography to
represent Classical Nahuatl. I am sorry to say that using an orthography
that neglect vowel length is doing a disservice to language learners.
Launey's manual is still in my opinion the best available introduction to
Classical Nahuatl.


Guillaume Jacques


2013/9/1 Michael McCafferty
 <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>

> John,
>
> I'm happy to hear about this. "Anthropological Linguistics" will soon
> publish my review of Michel Launey's Nahuatl grammar translated to English,
> and one of the bedeviling aspects of his work is the perpetuation of
> Carochi's orthography. The review was held up for a while as the editor
> insisted that I use Carochi's orthography in describing various aspects of
> Nahuatl, and that was difficult for me as I see little value in using it.
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
>
> Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
>
>  Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
>>         "Totlahtol" is a Series of the University of Warsaw, IDIEZ and
>>
 other
>> collaborating institutions, for publishing monolingual works in all
>> variants of Modern Nahuatl and Classical Nahuatl. Works are
>> standardized to the orthography of Campbell/Andrews/Karttunen. We
>> hope to accomplish two things with this Series: 1. Get monolingual
>> works of Nahuatl from all variants across space and time into the
>> hands of native speakers, especially young students; 2. By rigorously
>> standardizing the orthography of all variants across space and time,
>> and "flooding the market" with these works, we hope to break the
>> eighty-year political impasse that has prevented the orthographical
>> standardization of Nahuatl. The first work, in the sub-series,
>> "Toconehuan", is a children's' book, "Malintzin itlahtol", written by
>> Refugio Nava of the University of Tlaxcala. The paper version is now
>>
 being distributed, free of charge, in Nahua communities and in
>> educational institutions. You may download a free pdf copy with the
>> following link
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.**com/u/15911797/malintzin_**itlahtol.pdf<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15911797/malintzin_itlahtol.pdf>
>> or go to www.macehualli.org under Publications. When you read the
>> book, you will not only recognize the orthography, but you will be
>> able to appreciate how Tlaxcallan Nahuatl has evolved over the last
>> 500 years. Have fun!
>> John
>>
>> John Sullivan, Ph.D.
>> Research Scholar in Nahuatl Studies and
>> Academic Director of the Yale-IDIEZ
 Nahuatl Language Institute,
>> Yale University;
>> Visiting scholar, Faculty of Artes Liberales
>> University of Warsaw;
>> Professor of Nahua language and culture
>> Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas;
>> Director, Zacatecas Institute of Teaching and Research in Ethnology
>> Tacuba 152, int. 43
>> Centro Histórico
>> Zacatecas, Zac. 98000
>> Mexico
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