paradigns yauh, huallauh

David Wright dcwright at
Sun Sep 21 21:28:46 UTC 2014

Michel, what you mention is important, and coincides with what Canger wrote in the article I mentioned earlier today. So it looks like this would be a more precise presentation of these paradigms:



niyauh, tiyauh, yauh, tihuih (tiyahuih), anhuih (anyahuih), huih (yahuih)


ma: niyauh, ma: xiyauh, ma: yauh, ma: tihuiya:n, ma: xihuiya:n, ma: huiya:n



nihua:llauh, tihua:llauh, hua:llauh, tihua:lhuih, anhua:lhuih, hua:lhuih


ma: nihua:llauh, ma: xihua:llauh, ma: hua:llauh, ma: tihua:lhuiya:n, ma: xihua:lhuiya:n, ma: hua:lhuiya:n

Listeros, do we have a consensus on this?

Can we speak of an irregular plural optative suffix -y:an, used instead of the plural optative suffix -ca:n, with the irregular verbs ya/yauh/hui and hua:lla:/hua:llauh/hua:lhui? Or is there a better way to describe the suffix -ya:n that appears in these plural optative forms?

Like Michael, I'm curious about what John had in mind when he posted the initial question.



-----Mensaje original-----
De: nahuatl-bounces at [mailto:nahuatl-bounces at] En nombre de M Launey
Enviado el: domingo, 21 de septiembre de 2014 11:28 a. m.
Para: John Sullivan; list nahuatl discussion
Asunto: Re: [Nahuat-l] paradigns yauh, huallauh


Dear listeros

There happened strange deletions in my latest message. I hope this one will be understandable.


(My full message)


Yes, this is correct, except that huian should be parsed /wi-ya:n/. This is the reason why, while using most of the time Carochi's script, I write the y (i.e. huiyān, while Carochi writes huiān). For the same reason, I write celia but piya, because of the different preterit morphology (Carochi writes pia); and again, I write cocoa "hurt" but micōhua "there are deaths" (Carochi: micōa, though he usually writes the /w/ in transitive verbs like pōhua, cōhua).

Much to my shame, I long believed that in yauh the /a/ was long (and it is written long in my grammar in French 1979), but it is definitely short. This big mistake was corrected in the English version


Michel Launey


> Message du 21/09/14 16:24
> De : "John Sullivan" 
> A : "list nahuatl discussion" 
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> Objet : [Nahuat-l] paradigns yauh, huallauh
> Notequixpoyohuan,
> Leaving aside difference in older variants, is there anything wrong with the following paradigms in standard Classical Nahuatl?
> Present
> niyauh, tiyauh, yauh, tihuih, anhuih, huih
> Optative
> ma niyauh, xiyauh, ma yauh, ma tihuian, xihuian, ma huian
> Present
> nihuallauh, tihuallauh, huallauh, tihualhuih, anhualhuih, hualhuih
> Optative
> ma nihuallauh, xihuallauh, ma huallauh, ma tihualhuian, xihualhuian, ma hualhuian
> John
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