paradigns yauh, huallauh

[M Launey]

Yes, yauh is one of the two irregular verbs in classical Nahuatl (the other is câ, /ka’/, or cah if you like; the other so-called irregular ones like mani, onoc are defective, not irregular). There is no other example of a plural suffix –yān.

By the way, I object to considering huāllauh as a verb of its own, and I’m afraid that in so doing, many colonial and modern grammarians are influenced by the fact that in European languages there are two different verbs to translate yauh and huāllauh. But it is clearly huāl- + yauh, with the directional prefix huāl- which marks ‘motion toward’ (so huāl-yauh is ‘go closer’). Since huāl- is widely used with all kind of verbs, there is no reason to treat differently yauh vs. huāl-lauh and, say, ēhua vs. huāl-ēhua, mo-cuepa vs. huāl-mo-cuepa etc.

Moreover, the paradigm has two prefixes, huāl- (motion toward) and on- (motion away), the latter being of still more frequent use. So there is no reason either to treat huāl-lauh differently from on-yauh ‘go away’.

Best

Michel Launey






> Message du 21/09/14 23:29
> De : "David Wright" 
> A : "'M Launey'" , "'John Sullivan'" , "'list nahuatl discussion'" 
> Copie à : 
> Objet : RE: [Nahuat-l] paradigns yauh, huallauh
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> Michel, what you mention is important, and coincides with what Canger wrote in the article I mentioned earlier today. So it looks like this would be a more precise presentation of these paradigms:
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> YAUH
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> Present
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> niyauh, tiyauh, yauh, tihuih (tiyahuih), anhuih (anyahuih), huih (yahuih)
> 
> Optative
> 
> ma: niyauh, ma: xiyauh, ma: yauh, ma: tihuiya:n, ma: xihuiya:n, ma: huiya:n
> 
> HUALLAUH
> 
> Present
> 
> nihua:llauh, tihua:llauh, hua:llauh, tihua:lhuih, anhua:lhuih, hua:lhuih
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> Optative
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> ma: nihua:llauh, ma: xihua:llauh, ma: hua:llauh, ma: tihua:lhuiya:n, ma: xihua:lhuiya:n, ma: hua:lhuiya:n
> *************************************************
> 
> Listeros, do we have a consensus on this?
> 
> Can we speak of an irregular plural optative suffix -y:an, used instead of the plural optative suffix -ca:n, with the irregular verbs ya/yauh/hui and hua:lla:/hua:llauh/hua:lhui? Or is there a better way to describe the suffix -ya:n that appears in these plural optative forms?
> 
> Like Michael, I'm curious about what John had in mind when he posted the initial question.
> 
> Best,
> 
> David
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: nahuatl-bounces at lists.famsi.org [mailto:nahuatl-bounces at lists.famsi.org] En nombre de M Launey
> Enviado el: domingo, 21 de septiembre de 2014 11:28 a. m.
> Para: John Sullivan; list nahuatl discussion
> Asunto: Re: [Nahuat-l] paradigns yauh, huallauh
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> 
> Dear listeros
> 
> There happened strange deletions in my latest message. I hope this one will be understandable.
> M.L.
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> 
> (My full message)
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> 
> Yes, this is correct, except that huian should be parsed /wi-ya:n/. This is the reason why, while using most of the time Carochi's script, I write the y (i.e. huiyān, while Carochi writes huiān). For the same reason, I write celia but piya, because of the different preterit morphology (Carochi writes pia); and again, I write cocoa "hurt" but micōhua "there are deaths" (Carochi: micōa, though he usually writes the /w/ in transitive verbs like pōhua, cōhua).
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> Much to my shame, I long believed that in yauh the /a/ was long (and it is written long in my grammar in French 1979), but it is definitely short. This big mistake was corrected in the English version
> 
> Best
> 
> 
> Michel Launey
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> > Message du 21/09/14 16:24
> > De : "John Sullivan" 
> > A : "list nahuatl discussion" 
> > Copie à : 
> > Objet : [Nahuat-l] paradigns yauh, huallauh
> > 
> > Notequixpoyohuan,
> > Leaving aside difference in older variants, is there anything wrong with the following paradigms in standard Classical Nahuatl?
> > YAUH
> > Present
> > niyauh, tiyauh, yauh, tihuih, anhuih, huih
> > Optative
> > ma niyauh, xiyauh, ma yauh, ma tihuian, xihuian, ma huian
> > HUALLAUH
> > Present
> > nihuallauh, tihuallauh, huallauh, tihualhuih, anhualhuih, hualhuih
> > Optative
> > ma nihuallauh, xihuallauh, ma huallauh, ma tihualhuian, xihualhuian, ma hualhuian
> > John
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