Phon tier resolved with blind scoring

[Jonathan Preston]

HI Yvan,

What I'm looking for is another "Blind with validation" that is not just
the IPA Target and IPA Actual. I want each transcriber to be able to enter
a number (in this case, 0, 1, 2), but not see the number that others have
entered. (I was originally planning to use the "Notes" tier or to create a
new tier, but I realized that those tiers aren't blinded).  When the third
transcriber goes in to resolve and has visible the results from Transcriber
1 and 2, I was hoping that person could resolve three tiers (IPA Target,
IPA Actual, and 3-way score).
As I've thought through this, I do think I can find a workaround in the
current system with some detailed instructions to my transcribers  (ie,
give instructions to the first two transcribers to hide the scoring rows
from the other transcribers, then the person who resolves these will unhide
all transcribers' tiers to see what they entered, and resolve).  Therefore,
I don't think this is a high priority for you - it would just be a helpful
feature for my purposes (I'm not sure how many others would want additional
tiers that are hidden in Blind transcription mode).

I hope you and your family are doing well!
Jon
Jon

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 2:26 PM Yvan Rose <yvan.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
> Thank you for your useful suggestion, and Greg for ticketing it already.
>
> Key to this and our blind system in general, is to decide what information
> should be
>
>    - blind with validation - current IPA Target and Actual tiers
>    - blind without validation - ??
>    - not blind and accessible through the blind interface -- all tiers
>    except IPAs
>
> If I follow your request, you'd want an additional tier to be blind but
> then directly accessible to the remainder of the interface; else how do you
> want to access/process these data. Do you just want it visible as an
> additional prop during validation, or is there a use for it in the database
> afterwards?
>
> Currently, validation merely maps the contents of the selected candidate
> transcription into our default IPA tiers within the Session Editor, which
> we can then adjust further (directly edit). I doubt you'd need this for the
> score tiers, but maybe I'm not getting something. Maybe you could tell us a
> bit more about these scores?
>
>
> Thank you,
> Yvan
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:26 AM, ghedlund <greg.hedlund at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Jon,
>
> I think this is a great idea, but not currently possible in Phon. The only
> tiers which are included in blind mode are the IPA Target/Actual tiers.  I
> have created a new ticket (https://github.com/phon-ca/phon/issues/146)
> for this improvement, but I honestly cannot give you any timeline for the
> implementation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 3:04:42 PM UTC-3:30 Jonathan Preston wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Yvan,
>>
>>
>> I’m looking to create a tier that is blinded in Blind Transcription mode
>> and that is resolved when the third transcriber goes to resolve the
>> existing 2 transcribers' scores. Essentially, it would be another tier
>> similar to the IPA Actual, except we want to add a numerical score (0, 1,
>> 2).
>>
>> The process would be something like: Create a new tier call “3-way
>> score”, Transcriber 1 transcribers the IPA Target and Actual and also
>> enters her score of 0 in the 3-way score tier, then Transcriber 2
>> transcribes in Blind mode the IPA Target and Actual and enters his score of
>> 1 in the “3-way score” tier, then Transcriber 3 resolves the IPA Target,
>> IPA Actual, and the score in the 3-way score tier.
>>
>> I know we can create tiers and hide them, but I don’t see a way to keep
>> separate data in those tiers during blind transcription mode.  For example,
>> the Notes tier will show any notes from Transcriber 1 when Transcriber 2
>> opens up the file, but I’d like to create another tier where the data are
>> entered separately and then resolved. Is this possible?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
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