[RNLD] ERA reporting of archive deposits as NTROs (in Australia)

[Simon Musgrave]

Hi Mark,

In terms of the acceptance of collections as research outputs, I don't
think that the ARC will be the problem. The initial conversation we had at
ALS2011 with the then chair of the relevant panel had us explaining what
such collections consisted of and how they were prepared and him responding
along the lines "well of course that is research, how could it not be?" But
as the slides explain (IIRC), the ARC put the onus for establishing quality
standards back on us. In your current situation, it seems as though this
will mean convincing an 'expert review board'. I can only hope that what we
put in the 2012 talk can contribute to swaying such a board.

Good luck!

Best, Simon


On 6 August 2014 11:52, Mark W. Post <markwpost at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Thanks a lot Simon - I had heard about this talk, but hadn't yet seen the
> slides. Really covers the ground well!
>
> I'm not sure whether I should continue this on-list or not, but it seems
> to me that the ERA 2015 guidelines already have a certain amount of this
> apparatus in place. That is, for better or for worse, it seems that they're
> prepared to allow institutions, or schools within institutions, to convene
> "expert review boards" to assess NTROs and supporting statements in
> relation to the ARC definitions of "research". I'm not sure how this is
> going to work in practice, but the assumption that we're operating under is
> that it will be possible to demonstrate that meeting the depositing
> requirements put in place by ELAR, PARADISEC, etc., is equivalent to an
> event of "acceptance for publication". It remains to convince the "expert
> review board", whoever they turn out to be, that, one, this constitutes
> research output in terms of the ARC definitions (probably not very
> difficult), and two, and potentially much more difficult, that a deposit of
> scale/richness x is equivalent to traditional publication type y. This is
> the sort of thing I was hoping someone might already have undertaken, so
> that we might learn from their experiences.
>
> I'd welcome any further suggestions, whether on-list or off; I certainly
> agree with Simon that this is an important issue, particularly
> (potentially) for postgrads' employment prospects!
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
>
> On 6/08/2014 11:22 AM, Simon Musgrave wrote:
>
>   Hi Mark, Linda & RNLDers,
>
>  This topic has already been approached by the Australian Linguistics
> Society and a conversation started with the ARC (it hasn't moved much in
> the last little while, but that is not the ARC's fault!).
>
>  A group of us presented at ALS2012 on the topic (slides attached below),
> and there is further information in this blogpost
> <http://www.paradisec.org.au/blog/2012/11/counting-collections/> by Nick
> Thieberger.
>
>  Those of us involved see this as a very important issue; unfortunately
> pressure of other work has halted the momentum we had managed, but we do
> intend to pursue the matter.
>
>  Best, Simon
>
>
> On 6 August 2014 10:03, Mark W. Post <markwpost at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> We were planning to go with the category "Curated or Produced Substantial
>> Public Exhibitions and Events" under the subcategory "Web based
>> exhibition". There is also an "Other" subcategory (p. 7 of the ERA 2015
>> Fact Sheet 02). Our local ERA person thinks this should work for an ELAR
>> deposit, for example, but it is a bit of an experiment...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 5/08/2014 4:43 PM, Linda Barwick wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark
>>> I don't believe that archival deposits fit comfortably within any of the
>>> current ERA NTRO categories. Did you have one in mind?
>>>
>>> Perhaps we could lobby the ARC to include archival deposits as a special
>>> subcategory of reports for future rounds, but I observe that so far they
>>> have been quite resistant to attempts to add or redefine categories.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 4:00 pm, Mark W. Post <markwpost at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dear RNLDers,
>>>>
>>>> In the current ERA reporting round, there seems to be an increase in
>>>> attention to Non-Traditional Research Output (NTRO). Here at UNE, we're
>>>> trying to work out how archive deposits (corpora of language-documentary
>>>> materials) can be assessed in the NTRO context, and, ultimately,
>>>> effectively weighted in relation to TROs. In addition to general
>>>> problems of equivalence, one of the concerns is the fact that deposits
>>>> often grow in scale and richness over time, whereas there might be only
>>>> one recognizable submission/acceptance "event".
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have experience with this, or is anyone currently preparing
>>>> an NTRO submission along these lines for the current ERA round?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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