tarelki

[Benjamin Rifkin]

Since my query has generated some discussion, I post here something I
received off-list on the topic from Denis Akhapkine of the Philology Faculty
at St. Petersburg University.

Ben Rifkin



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>From: "Denis Akhapkine" <denis at DA2938.spb.edu>
>Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:50:36 +0400 (MSD)
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>Zdravstvujte, Benjamin
>
>> Again I turn to you for linguistic help.  My emigre students are insisting
>> that with the object tarelki the verbs klast' and polozhit' are not only
>> acceptable, but required, rather than the verbs stavit'/postavit'.  I would
>> appreciate any comments you might have on this topic!
>
>Ne ochen' ponyatno, chto oni imeyut v vidu, poskol'ku v russkom yazike
>odinakovo vozmozhni oba varianta, no v zavisimosti ot tipa dopolneniya -
>
>Ya poydu postavlyu tarelki na stol.
>Uzhe pora stavit' tarelki, ili esh'e net?
>- pryamoe dopolnenie (direct object)
>(But: Polozhi, pozhaluysta, vilki (lozhki, nozhi, salfetki) na stol.)
>
>Polozhite mne na tarelku von togo piroga.
>Poka gosti klali na tarelki salati, hozyain nachal razlivat' vodku
>- kosvennoe dopolnenie (indirect object)
>V poslednem predlozhenii nositelyami yazika skoree budet upotreblen
>drugoy glagol:  _nakladivali_ , odnako v literature vstrechaetsya
>i glagol _klast'_:
>
>Ne hochu, babushka, - govoril on, no ona klala emu na tarelku, ne slushaya ego,
>i on el (Goncharov, "Obriv")
>
>Ne znayu, otvetil li ya na Vash vopros. Esli chto-to ostalos' neyasnim -
pishite.
>Vsegda rad pomoch'.
>
>Denis
>š
>Denis Akhapkine                                 phone +7 (812) 552-9750 (home)
>Department of Russian Language                  e-mail denis at da2938.spb.edu
>Faculty of Philology
>Saint-Petersburg State University
>Universitetskaya nab. 11
>Saint-Petersburg
>199034, Russia
>
>
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