"Rossianin"

[Serguei Glebov]

The battle is not over dual citizenship but over citizenship rights in
principle, sometimes for third generation of Turkish immigrants. Stoiber was
one of those who opposed extension of citizenship rights to immigrants. But
this is not the major issue, the most important point is that any
western-eastern opposition in a very general way leads directly to a
misinterpretation. The fact that there are Turkish memebers of the
Parliament, Turkish or any other non-German friends or any other particular
details do not alter the fact that Germany still has citizenship law based
on blood and ethnicity. Russia does not have such a law. Citizenship is
based upon a number of criteria. Prior to the recent law, citizenship was
granted, at least theoretically, to any person who possessed Soviet
citizenship.  With the new law approved this is no longer available.
This distinction between russkii and rossiiskii is a result of a. imperial
legacy, when "russian nation" and "russian empire" were hard to distinguish
and b. soviet legacy, when rossiiskii almost completely disappeared,
replaced by "soviet".

SG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alina Israeli" <aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] "Rossianin"


> >> In Germany a German born child of a Turkish immigrant CANNOT become
> > > German citizen even today, so it IS the practice right now. Or is
> >> Germany not a Western country?
>
> The battle these days, to my knowledge, is over DUAL citizenship, not
> citizenship. Exclusion is social not political, there are, for example,
> Turkish members of Parliament (maybe not too many, but there are some).
The
> same exclusion is attested by Spaniards and Italians who were born, grew
up
> and were educated in Germany. I have a Spanish-German in my department, I
> had an Iranian-German as a class-mate. It is a well documented phenomenon,
> media periodically revisits the subject.
>
> > Moreover, according to German law, an (ethnic) German born in a foreign
> > country is entitled to German citizenship without residency
requirements,
> > no matter how many generations ago that person's ancestors left
"Germany,"
> > and what country's citizens they have been.
>
> Unlike Russians from Tadzhikistan. (Turkish children with citizenship or
> without can attend German schools.)
>
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