Russian Duma proposal to create internet censorship

Wed Jul 11 15:30:44 UTC 2012

As the issue has been touched, what are American laws (if there are any)
regarding foreign funding for NGOs? How are these regulated? The reason for
my interest is a frequent referral to the new Russian bill regarding NGOs
as a gross violation of rights.

Elena Gapova

2012/7/11 Michele A Berdy <maberdy at gmail.com>

> Oh, I'm sorry. I really don't want to reply to this, and please feel free
> to stop this discussion, me included. But honestly, are you really arguing
> that this law is all about kiddie porn sites and not unlike what other
> countries do? What about the context? In the last months in Russia a law
> has been passed that makes public (non-governmental) assembly almost
> impossible, another law is working its way through the parliament to
> stigmatize and possibly close down NGOs that receive foreign funding, gay
> people are legislatively prohibited in some places from being, essentially,
> openly gay, people are being arrested for all kinds of public dissent
> (including what's on their t-shirts), another law is being discussed that
> might bring back the concept of slandering the state,  the black list of
> people (ie oppositional leaders) not allowed on TV is still in place, and
> now this draft law severely limits the freedom of internet  by imposing
> ex-judicial censorship (which, BTW, is prohibited by the Russian
> constitution). Can you really say that in this context - squashing
> virtually any legal way of expressing or even discussing disagreement with
> the present government -  that this law is really about kiddie porn sites?
>  For heaven's sake.
>
> Apologies for my exasperation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SEELANGS: Slavic & East European Languages and Literatures list
> [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Anne Schumann
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:28 PM
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Russian Duma proposal to create internet censorship
>
> William, I do not agree that Germany has "widespread media censorship".
> Moreover, the plan to block the German internet for certain content has not
> been put to practice and paralleling the German situation to that in Russia
> is certainly a miscomparison. Germany and Russia cannot be compared
> directly, and all I was trying to point out (or suggest) is that such plans
> are not by definition undemocratic and typical for certain
> (undemocratic????) countries. So before launching a public outcry,
> everybody interested in the topic should find some time for a period of
> reflection and information. As for the Nazi problem: it is shamefully true,
> yes, but unrelated to this discussion, and your mention of it here is
> rather offensive with respect to me, since I showed neither sympathy for
> these people nor disrespect for people who are different from me. So using
> this kind of argument in a forum discussion is probably not a fair move.
> And btw, it should be clear from the quotes that not I referred to a
> pedophilian lobby, but Mrs. Mizulina.
>
> Again, criticism should be based on knowledge.
>
> Regards,
> Anne
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SEELANGS: Slavic & East European Languages and Literatures list
> [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of William Gardella
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:00 PM
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Russian Duma proposal to create internet censorship
>
> It is also, of course, worth pointing out that in cases like the national
> Internet filter in Australia (ostensibly also implemented to block access
> to sites suspected of hosting child pornography), the temptation quickly
> arose to use the filter for other purposes, such as blocking access to
> websites promoting "extremist" politics, and indeed using the filter that
> way--and even to block such innocuous content as websites advocating
> breastfeeding--was common practice until exposed by WikiLeaks.  In the UK,
> where the government has outsourced such domain-blocking powers to an NGO
> called the Internet Watch Foundation, there have also been many cases of
> erroneous blockages, with no set process for appeal (and with the result
> that Wikipedia has sometimes been blocked in the UK, etc.).  There appears
> to be no country on Earth with the ability to manage this power
> responsibly, and if there is, I certainly doubt it is the Russian
> Federation.
>
> Germany is a country with widespread media censorship that is nonetheless
> unable to adequately monitor the real Nazi cells operating within its
> borders, so the German example is telling, but not necessarily in the way
> you suggest.  Crudely blocking domains stops citizens, but not criminals.
>  And while you may be correct to suggest that German censorship is not
> incompatible with a democratic process (indeed, it is overwhelmingly
> popular), I would also say that it is totally illiberal and has not
> achieved its stated goals of getting extremist and exploitative content off
> of the German internet.
>
> And the suggestion that Russian Wikipedia editors and others concerned
> about handing this kind of power over to the Russian federal government are
> part of some <<педофильское лобби>> is pretty ludicrous.  They're not
> concerned about the text of the law but rather how they expect it to be
> abused and selectively enforced on day one of its entry into force.
>
> Anne Schumann <anne.schumann at TILDE.LV> writes:
>
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> >
> >
> > a friend of mine posted 2 useful links on FB that I would like to
> > share:
> >
> >
> >
> > -          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > %D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%97%D0%B0%D0
> > %BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82_%E2%84%96_89
> > 417-6
> >
> > (includes links to sites where notes of protest can be sent to Duma
> > members and the president; I personally find the discussion page quite
> > interesting)
> >
> > -          http://lenta.ru/news/2012/07/10/soft/
> >
> > with at least some information about the actual wording of the text
> >
> >
> >
> > My friend also correctly pointed out that a similar discussion took
> > place some years ago in Germany. What we can learn from this is, in my
> > view, that an attempt to limit the proliferation of pornography on the
> > internet per se is neither "crazy" nor "undemocratic" (and the NYT
> > article, I think,  did not conclusively show that this new law is
> > indeed meant to suppress the opposition). However, such decisions
> > obviously need to be taken with care and it would be good to know more
> > about the actual content of the proposed law.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is from the lenta article:
> >
> >
> >
> > "В новой редакции законопроекта, отмечает издание, государство сможет
> > в досудебном порядке закрывать доступ к сайтам, содержащим детскую
> > порнографию, пропаганду наркотиков и информацию о способах совершения
> > самоубийства."
> >
> > "Таким образом, из документа была исключена расплывчатая формулировка
> > о "вредоносной информации", за которую раньше также предполагалось
> > закрывать сайты без суда. "
> >
> > "Кроме того, в новой редакции законопроекта правительство оставило за
> > собой право сформировать собственный механизм исполнения его
> > положений. Ранее эти функции предлагалось возложить на "федеральный
> > орган исполнительной власти", отмечает "Газета.Ru".
> >
> > "В ответ председатель комитета Госдумы по вопросам семьи, женщин и
> > детей Елена Мизулина, один из авторов законопроекта, заявила, что по
> > ее мнению за протестами стоит педофильское лобби, которое боится
> > потерять свои прибыли."
> >
> >
> >
> > Criticism should be based on knowledge, not presuppositions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Anne-Kathrin Schumann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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