SEELANGS Digest - 11 Jul 2012 to 12 Jul 2012 - Special issue (#2012-243)

STEPHEN PEARL sbpearl1 at VERIZON.NET
Thu Jul 12 19:03:34 UTC 2012 

Oh, I thought that was what Ghandi used to wear after he went native.



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  1. Napoleon on Cossacks (4)
  2. Russian Duma proposal to create internet censorship (2)

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Napoleon on Cossacks 

Dear Seelangers: At some point Napoleon allegedly made the prophesy that in one hundred years Europe would be either French or Cossack. Is anyone familiar with a source for this? 

Many thanks for suggestions from a colleague involved in footnoting...  

--Jindrich Toman

 
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As for copyright, this is a complex technical issue that does not have instant appeal for legislators.  And, as we have been told, this issue is being pushed in the U.S. and in Europe by powerful lobbies, whereas in Russia the equivalent bodies do not have the same clout (and in any case Nikita Mikhalkov does not need the money).  On the other hand, control over Internet content is being promoted by groups such as the security ministries and the Russian Orthodox Church that do indeed have a great deal of influence.

John Dunn.
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Sent: 11 July 2012 18:32
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The copyright aspect is very interesting, because Russia has certainly
been on the receiving end of much international disapproval of its lax
attitude to enforcement of foreign copyrights.  There has been
coverage of various attempts to go after the ubiquitous pirate DVD
vendors and the like in the physical territory of Russia; I have no idea
why such efforts apparently haven't extended to the Runet.

There also appears to be a lot less focus than in the EU on issues of
cybercrime and "cyberwarfare;" there does not appear to be much
legislative or prosecutorial interest in the problem of botnet operators
or virus makers, or in going after Internet users for their use or
possession of technologies to circumvent computer security.  That's not
necessarily a good or a bad thing--the discussion of these issues in
Western Europe is beginning to look like a gross overreaction--but it's
interesting.

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Elena, it’s been awhile since I was in an NGO in Russia, so I have forgotten some of the rules (and then they have changed), but it is already quite heavily regulated. Major donors, like USAID,  sign a governmental agreement and work under its framework. What an NGO, foreign or otherwise, can do is regulated. As I recall, lobbying is forbidden.  Many NGOs work with ministries and need approval before carrying out activities. After the change in legislation a couple of years ago, the rules were tightened. NGOs have to provide detailed work plans in advance and detailed reports afterwards. Accounting is down to the last kopek and must show all sources of financing. Some sites of Russian NGOs that get foreign funding list the donors, but I don’t think that is required by law. However, they are required by law to open their books to literally anyone who asks and show all funding sources in their reports. At this point, I think most Russian
 organizations – NGO or otherwise – apply for grants, stating what they want to do and providing budgets. So the question is – given how open these NGOs are to review and how closely monitored they already are, why do they need to proclaim that they are “foreign agents”? How will that increase transparency? That information is already provided by the NGOs by  law. And in the case of NGOs that apply for grants, they do not believe that they are acting on behalf of a foreign organization, but rather that the foreign donor has given them funds to do a work plan that they developed.
Hope that helps.
 
 
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Comparing the US to Russia in this particular issue made me think that there are important differences. While US is a major power which sponsors all kinds of projects all over the world, and American humanitarian projects are relatively rarely sponsored by foreign foundations, Russia is a different case entirely. It is more on the receiving end, with hundreds of foreign and international foundations sponsoring their projects inside Russia. 
 
While I am not sure how this issue may be regulated in a democratic way (and it must be),  I cannot see how this can not be a concern for (any) national government (I do not know if the bill under discussion can do the job in an appropriate manner).
e.g.
2012/7/11 Alina Israeli <aisrael at american.edu>
Here is the 1938 law, Putin's law is modeled after: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act
 
The recipients of foreign grants, such as grants from Aga Khan foundation http://www.akdn.org/akf_projects.asp do not have to register as foreign agents. Many of my non-Slavists colleagues received grants from Canada, Latin America etc. and they did not have to register as foreign agents either, nor did the university.
 
On the other hand, lobbying on behalf of a foreign country requires registration as "agents of a foreign principal". What is prohibited is funding political campaigns with foreign money.
 
If you look at the long list of foundations http://www.fundsforngos.org/category/foundation-funds-for-ngos/ (not all of them American, although many are), they fund health issues, human rights issues, education in African, Asia as well as close to home and that does not make them US agents or British agents nor does it make the recipients foreign agents neither in reality nor by law. 

 
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The French version of the prophesy is "D'Ici à cinquante ans, toute l'Europe sera républicaine ou cosaque."  It seems to be from the Mémorial de Sainte-Hélène. 



Mark R. Pettus, Ph.D.
Department of Slavic 
Languages & Literatures 
Princeton University


On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Toman, Jindrich wrote:

Napoleon on Cossacks 
>
>Dear Seelangers: At some point Napoleon allegedly made the prophesy that in one hundred years Europe would be either French or Cossack. Is anyone familiar with a source for this? 
>
>Many thanks for suggestions from a colleague involved in footnoting...  
>
>--Jindrich Toman
>
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It seems rather to stem from Alexandre Dumas the Elder, "Memoires, 1956-59, chap. XXXVIII.
http://www.dumaspere.com/pages/bibliotheque/sommaire.php?lid=m3 
 
It was also quoted in a drama :
 
"Napoléon Bonaparte, ou trente ans de l'histoire de France" (1931),
A six-act drama about the life of Napoleon Bonaparte <http://www.cadytech.com/dumas/work.php?key=364>.
 
It is quoted tyoo in Karl Marx's "THE EIGHTEENTH BRUMAIRE OF LOUIS BONAPARTE"
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/3/4/1346/1346.txt (without proper references either)
 
The quote from "Memorial de Ste-helene" (written by Emmanuel de Las Cases) seems uncertain at best.
A check at a 2 vol. edition from bnf (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k4112291/f894.image.r=cinquante) did not yield any results.
 
It seems that this quote is a nicely formulated fake due to Alexandre Dumas the Elder…
 
Philippe Frison
(Strasbourg, France)
 
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The French version of the prophesy is "D'Ici à cinquante ans, toute l'Europe sera républicaine ou cosaque."  It seems to be from the Mémorial de Sainte-Hélène. 
 
 
Mark R. Pettus, Ph.D.
Department of Slavic 
Languages & Literatures 
Princeton University
 
 
On Jul 11, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Toman, Jindrich wrote:
 
 
        
        Dear Seelangers: At some point Napoleon allegedly made the prophesy that in one hundred years Europe would be either French or Cossack. Is anyone familiar with a source for this? 
        
        Many thanks for suggestions from a colleague involved in footnoting...  
        
        --Jindrich Toman
        
        
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Dear Professor Toman,
This phrase could be itself a topic for a nice research. This very popular mot (allegedly) belonging to Napoleon has been quoted by many sources (quite often without any footnotes), mentioning different time span:10, 50, 100. 
Here is the reference to the most common source of the phrase:
Enfin une dernière chance et ce pourrait être la plus probable ce serait le besoin qu on aurait de moi contre les Russes car dans l état actuel des choses avant dix ans toute l Europe peut être cosaque ou toute en république [Mémorial de Sainte Hélène <...> par le comte de Las Cases. Éd. Lecointe. 1828, t. III, p. 110-111].
This book is available on GoogleBooks:
http://books.google.com/books?id=n9bLat3YVogC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=memorial+de+sainte+helene+lecointe&source=bl&ots=nQTyYOBeXG&sig=a6KK4oBfsv4mrzsI2_XSbMDB8Ww&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Ao3-T86OIoi8rQHO5cWLCQ&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Cosaque&f=false
With my best regards,
Vadim Besprozvany 
On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:01:08 +0000, "Toman, Jindrich" <ptydepe at UMICH.EDU> wrote:

>Dear Seelangers: At some point Napoleon allegedly made the prophesy that in one hundred years Europe would be either French or Cossack. Is anyone familiar with a source for this? 
>
>Many thanks for suggestions from a colleague involved in footnoting...  
>
>--Jindrich Toman
>
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