[Bulk] Re: [SEELANGS] perfect tense

[Robert Orr]

The tie up between perfective and stative is interesting here

я устал could in theory be either a short adjective or a perfective; as
Wayles points out.

The meaning could be basically the same, but with a slight difference of
emphasis;  "I am tired" concentrating on the state resulting from the
transition and "I have got tired" concentrating on the point of transition
(not tired >  tired) itself.

The title of the song Раскинулось Море Широко is an excellent example of the
phenomenon.

I think Forsyth discusses it in A Grammar of Aspect 

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Subject: [Bulk] Re: [SEELANGS] perfect tense

Sentinel76 Astrakhan wrote:

> To me "вчера вечером я устал" sounds completely unnatural. The proper 
> way is "Вчера вечером я был усталым" or, colloquially, "вчера вечером 
> я был усталый".

I took the past perfective to denote a change in state (from fresh to
tired): "I became tired." This transition was complete at the stated time.
No?

The options you offer clearly denote an ongoing (imperfective) state of
affairs, not the same thing.

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Paul B. Gallagher
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