perfect tense

[Alex S]

Лучше использовать полную, а не краткую форму (по аналогии с 
единственным числом:

Вы усталыЕ (?) (я усталаЯ, ты усталыЙ)

но "устали" и "усталые" - это разные части речи.


On 12/09/2014 11:41, Terry Moran wrote:
> Another thought on устал. Are both these questions OK?
>
>     Вы устали?
>
>     Вы усталы?
>
>
> If not, why not? If so, is there a scintilla of difference between 
> them (and, obviously, what is it) or are they absolutely identical? In 
> theory, I suppose, one focuses on the process and the other on the 
> condition, but is there any difference inpractice? Both would surely 
> be /Are you tired?/in English.
>
> And another one: are there any other words with parallel origins, i.e. 
> an adjectival form that appears to come from a verbal past tense? I 
> can't think of any offhand. Is there a special grammatical term that 
> defines them (or it)?
>
> Incidentally он был уставшим sounds to me less like something anybody 
> would ever say than something Акакий Акакиевич might have written in a 
> report - but maybe my Sprachgefühl is letting me down. Any thoughts? 
> Linguee only comes up with a couple of hits.
>
> Best -
>
> Terry
>
> On 12 September 2014 08:55, Gasan Gusejnov <gusejnov at gmail.com 
> <mailto:gusejnov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     It is a very good sentence for an excersise: please add the best
>     context.
>
>     - что ж ты не пришел?
>     - я вчера устал.
>
>     In any language, I guess, sentences excerpted from a dialogue
>     sometimes look incomplete, don't they. And that is what make them
>     correct, real and alive.
>     Best
>     gg
>
>
>     On Thursday, 11 September 2014, Sentinel76 Astrakhan
>     <thysentinel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>         It doesn't quite work like that.  Basically the sentence
>         sounds incomplete.  You have to explain WHY you became tired:
>
>         Я вчера засиделся на работе и немного устал.
>
>         Also, for some reason, I don't remember ever hearing the word
>         "устал" by itself.  It usually comes with an adverb:
>          "сильно", "немного", etc. or as part of a complex clause:
>
>         Караул устал и ушел с поста.
>
>         If used by itself, it's in the present tense:
>
>         Я устал!
>
>         Something like that.
>
>         Vadim
>
>         > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:31:15 -0400
>         > From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM
>         > Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] perfect tense
>         > To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>         >
>         > Sentinel76 Astrakhan wrote:
>         >
>         > > To me "вчера вечером я устал" sounds completely unnatural. The
>         > > proper way is "Вчера вечером я был усталым" or,
>         colloquially, "вчера
>         > > вечером я был усталый".
>         >
>         > I took the past perfective to denote a change in state (from
>         fresh to
>         > tired): "I became tired." This transition was complete at
>         the stated
>         > time. No?
>         >
>         > The options you offer clearly denote an ongoing
>         (imperfective) state of
>         > affairs, not the same thing.
>         >
>         > --
>         > War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
>         > --
>         > Paul B. Gallagher
>         > pbg translations, inc.
>         > "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
>         > http://pbg-translations.com
>         >
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