Proximate/obviative
Robert L. Rankin
rankin at lark.cc.ukans.edu
Wed May 19 20:42:28 UTC 1999
Paul, and all,
Personally, I find the Algonquian comments very enlightening. It isn't
easy to find good, consise descriptions of just how it works in
Algonquian. We're just starting to see that such a system may be at work
in Dhegiha Siouan languages, and any comparisons are helpful at least to
me.
Voorhis, on Algonquian:
> First, the obviative indicates a direct object only when another third
> person, pronoun or noun, is the subject. If the subject is a first- or
> second-person pronoun, then the proximate forms are used for a direct
> object. Second, obviatives can be subjects and proximates can be
> objects when the focus is on the object. ... Accusatives can't be
> subjects, but obviatives can.
Algonquian certainly makes the case especially clearly. I don't think
Dhegiha Siouan (or Muskogean for that matter) present evidence that is
nearly as unequivocal. But I must say that Siouanists have probably not
elicited the right kinds of examples for maximal clarification. I know I
didn't. If crucial examples are there in my Kaw data, it's accidental.
Paul's given us some things to search for in Dhegiha. There are a number
of slightly different referent tracking systems out there, and it's often
difficult to know whose definition to try to stretch. :-)
Bob
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