fonts.

[Rankin, Robert L]

Sorry I don't have anything to offer on proverbs except to add my voice to
those who haven't encountered any.

I did want to note that Sara's Siouan font came through in Windows
perfectly.  The way to get this effect (i.e., the way I do it) is to specify
the Siouan (SIL) SSDoulos font as the DEFAULT font for Windows and leave it
that way.  (I THINK I did this through MSOffice)  All the accented V's were
properly accented and all the nasal vowels had their hooks.  She used
digraphs for nasal U and the necessary consonants.  We must be getting
somewhere close to the point where we can actually use the real characters
instead of "net Siouan".  I haven't checked Eudora, but it must work the
same way Netscape and Explorer do.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Trechter, Sara
To: 'siouan at lists.colorado.edu'
Sent: 12/18/01 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Proverbs

I had never really thought about this, but it seems like the entire
introduction to "Napping" from Deloria's Autobiographical texts is the
speaker trying to explain a proverb but unsuccessfully. "Napping brings
on
consequences."  He goes to lengths to explain that this is because one
has
dreams of the thunder being in naps. His sentence summary is in 2 below.
Thus, Deloria gives in (8) an explanation of the lost? genre, which
doesn't
seem proverbial, but akin: (Please excuse my lack of making this all
into
the right font. Grave accents are nasal vowels.)

Hé unwicháxcala thóiyepi kì él "Àpé ishtì'*mapi kì
   hé shíce ló, kiktáhà unpó, naíchib.Leb. Les ééománi pó;
   tókshá wí kì hé mahél iyáya chà naké? hehanl wichásha
   ishtíme ló!" Eyáya wawáhokunkhiyapi?.
2 That/ on account of/ old men/ their words/ the/ in/ "Day sleeping/
the/
   that/ bad/ in a waking state/ be!/ Rousing self by foot/ instead/
walk
   about!/ Later/ sun/ the/that/ in / it goes/ then/ at last/ then/ man/
he
   sleeps!"/ So saying/ they exhort the people.
7 Wicháxcala thóiyepi
8 Old men's precepts consisted of stock phrases, many of which are no
longer
   heard or even quoted, but which were a definite group or set of
teachings.
   One I heard elsewhere was "Hàhép?thani'*ya kì shíce ló;
   oíyokpaza c'@'4* wakhanheza kì thíl awíchaku pó!" (The
   breath of night is evil; when darkness falls, bring the children into
the
   house.")  There were ever so many more. I do not know whether they
could
   be gathered at this late day. With some of these precepts, maxims, or

   what you will, to serve as texts, the old men would walk around the
camp
   circle uninvited, and preach little sermonettes to the tribe.  They
were
not
   always carefully attended, but they didn't seem to mind the
indifference
of
   the hearers. They would go talking along anyways.