any more chairs?
Carolyn Quintero
cqcqcq1 at earthlink.net
Wed Jul 30 23:07:12 UTC 2003
Rory: Also, the La Flesche Osage dictionary
conjugates 2s as moN-ni.
Carolyn: Here, as elsewhere, LF is wrong about there being this n for second
person in Osage verbs. He was surely filling in with his knowledge of
Omaha. There are hundreds of problems in the LF dictionary, and quite a few
have to do with the form given being Omaha.
In fact forms like 2s sni and others that LF gives are hilarious to Osages.
Carolyn
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Subject: Re: any more chairs?
Carolyn wrote:
> MO-NI is a possible rendering for OS maNdhiN' where the nasal quality has
> spread to the dh. One hears a few of these in certain Osages' speech.
If
> someone wrote this in a version of Osage, this maNdhiN is the imperative
> (uninflected) or merely the ininflected form, which is a form that could
be
> used optionally (alternative to the inflected form in this construction).
> I'd sort of lean to an imperative. Like "We make the wish: that you walk
in
> peace".
> But it could be as you say, inflected for 2s in Kaw with hn (is that
right
> for Kaw?). In Osage 2s is maNs^ciN' so it's clearly not that! If we
want
> it not to be Osage, this is the best choice, I guess.
Ah! I hadn't realized that!
I believe Bob said that Kaw had hn for 2s, and that is the
way it is in OP. Also, the La Flesche Osage dictionary
conjugates 2s as moN-ni.
Just to stick my neck out a little further, I might
mention something one of our Omaha speakers stressed
to me a few months ago. She said that there was a
distinction in asking about "having" something, as
follows:
KinoN'noNge aniN' a?
Do you have (possess) a car?
KinoN'noNge (kHe) ashniN' a?
Do you have (your) car (along with you)?
I've told Ardis about this, but I don't think I've
brought it up to the list before.
Is it possible that there are actually two grades
of you- inflection for dh-verbs? One which tends
to preserve the original s^, and one which drops it?
Rory
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