iron/ metal [and other loans and calques]

[R. Rankin]

Blair's right -- the [tin] root/syllable (or
whatever it is) is very widespread and, as John
says, clearly onomatopoeic in origin.

Bob

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Subject: Re: iron/ metal [and other loans and
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> I would be somewhat cautious about Siebert's
suggestions. For example,
> Catawba tinde 'bluejay', the form that Siebert
recorded, is from earlier tine, the
> form recorded by Raven I. McDavid, and shows
expected partial denasalization of
> /n/ before an oral vowel. Thus, Catawba tine (>
tinde) is unlikely to come
> from PA *tiintiiwa. More likely, the Catawba and
the PA form reflect initia
> ti(:)n- in imitation of the call of the bluejay,
as Pam suggests.
>
> Blair