Indian perfume set.

[bi1 at soas.ac.uk]

On the subject of plants, rice is I think psiN and onion ps^iN in Lakota
(haven't got a dictionary to hand).  This looks like the familiar Lakota
sound symbolism.  Does it work that way in other Siouan languages?
Bruce
On 7 Oct 2003 at 11:55, Koontz John E wrote:

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From:           	Koontz John E <John.Koontz at colorado.edu>
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Subject:        	Re: Indian perfume set.

> On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, R. Rankin wrote:
> > As I mentioned, the *o > u change may affect locative o- when other
> > elements are grafted on as prefixes or proclitics.  This simply hasn't
> > been determined yet. Jimm may know.  The problem is that relatively few
> > elements can precede the locative prefixes.
>
> Jimm confirmed that *o- appears as u- in all cases of incorporation of
> some element before it that he could think of.
>
> > Also it would be good for us to keep in mind that the sequence John
> > reconstructs as *pr has two (at least) proto-Siouan sources.  One is *wr
> > (most of the instances, actually) and the other may be *pr (but there
> > were precious few *p in these sequences, 'flat' may have been one).  So
> > *py may behave like one or the other or differently because it had a
> > different chronology.
>
> We've discussed this before.  Bob prefers to distinguish *wr and *pr,
> while I consolidate all these sets phonologically.  There are sets of this
> type or types arising in nouns root initials, in verb root initials, in *r
> with first person pronominals, and medially (basically, in 'three').
>
> Dakota pretty nuch treats all of them as *pr, which becomes bl/bd/md/mn
> before orals depending on the dialect, and mn before nasals generally.
>
> Dhegiha treats the nouns (*wr in Bob's analysis) as *R, n/d ~ j^/t ~
> c/t depending on the dialect, but n before nasals, and the rest appear
> as *pr (bdh/bl/br/pd, depending on the dialect, and no nasal variant,
> e.g., bdhaN 'to smell of something').  \
>
> IO and Wi treat the nouns and the inflected verb forms and the medial form
> as *R (d with nasal variant n), but retains *pr in verb stem initials
> (br/pVrV, depending on the dialect and no nasal variant).
>
> So, the verb-stem initial forms (like 'flat' *pras(ka)) are the only ones
> that never get reduced anywhere.
>
> Of course, though I don't find any reason but this last to distinguish *wr
> from *pr, I don't claim that there are not multiple origins for *pr, or
> perhaps we should always write *wr.  In particular, most of the
> polymorphemic cases of *pr (or *wr) clearly have a paired uncontracted
> variant *wV-r, suggesting that these are from *w + *r or perhaps that a
> lot of earlier **pV sequences "soften" to *wV.
>
>