Pigs

[Michael Mccafferty]

Right. Found and read the article. Nice article.

The Central Algonquian borrowing appears to have come from what Taylor
terms a "simplex" form of "cochon"--"coche," and then he suggests that the
borrowing came directly from a French pig call in the form of "co-coche".
I don't know about that but I've sent out the question to native
informants. (Species not specified)

Michael




On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, R. Rankin wrote:

> I don't think kkokko$a, etc. are based directly on "cochon".  A more colloquial
> reduplicated form is favored.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Mccafferty" <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
> To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Pigs
>
>
> > Thanks for the information.
> >
> > What's interesting, at least to me, about this is that the phonologically
> > salient part of the French word for pig, "cochon," that would be the
> > source of these borrowings is /$o~/, not /ku$/ ($ = sh, o~ = nasalized
> > /o/). Maybe the first Frenchmen who used the word with native folks said
> > it slowly.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, ROOD DAVID S wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Allan's article was published in Anthropological Linguistics 32
> > > (1990):187-210.  It's entitled "A European Loanword of Early Date in
> > > Eastern North America.  He says it's the most wide-spread loanword on the
> > > continent.
> > >
> > > David S. Rood
> > > Dept. of Linguistics
> > > Univ. of Colorado
> > > 295 UCB
> > > Boulder, CO 80309-0295
> > > USA
> > > rood at colorado.edu
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Koontz John E wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, R. Rankin wrote:
> > > > > It was Allan Taylor at CU.  I don't remember where he published it, but
> no doubt
> > > > > someone will.  A large number of us contributed data for it.
> > > >
> > > > It is not in the Siouan bib page at
> > > > http://puffin.creighton.edu/lakota/siouan_language.html that John Boyle
> > > > maintains.
> > > >
> > > > Search the Web with Allan Taylor pig cochon, or consult the MSA annual
> > > > indexes and/or Bibliographie Linguistique, the last two being the more
> > > > reliable technique, but not always the fastest.  Allan also has an article
> > > > on horse terms, I believe.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > "Those are my principles.
> > If you don't like them,
> > I have others."
> >
> > -Groucho Marx
> >
> >
> > "When I was born I was
> > so surprised that I didn't
> > talk for a year and a half."
> >
> > -Gracie Allen
> >
> >
>
>
>

"Those are my principles.
If you don't like them,
I have others."

-Groucho Marx


"When I was born I was
so surprised that I didn't
talk for a year and a half."

-Gracie Allen