Companion Terms for 7 and 8 (Re: 'eight' some more)

[ROOD DAVID S]

John, I have only been following this discussion a little bit, since it's
final exam time.  This mentioned Wichita, however, and I remember that
there was some theory about one of the Dhegia languages borrowing Wichita,
so here's the Wichita data, if it's worth anything:
	The numbers 6,7,8 are built on 1,2,3 with a prefix kiyah- which
doesn't seem to mean anything recoverable now (a homonym meaning 'who?,
someone' is an unlikely source). (* is high pitch on preceding vowel)
	six: ki*yehess  ('one' is chi7ass; the 7ass is the numeral)
	seven kiya*hwic ('two' is wic)
	eight kiya*tawha ('three' is tawha, final vowel voiceless)

	'nine' is 'one is missing' and ten is long but unanalyzeable.

	David

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

On Thu, 6 May 2004, Koontz John E wrote:

> On Wed, 5 May 2004 Rgraczyk at aol.com wrote:
> > > 'seven'   *s^aako'wiN
> > The Crow forms are:
> > sa'hpua 'seven'
> >
> > Bob's covered this territory before, of course, but I was misremembering
> > when I said I thought there was nothing similar in this range in CH and
> > Mandan.
>
> It was the Mandan forms I had glanced at.  But looking at these tonight I
> remembered that kuu'pa 'seven' is perhaps comparable to *s^aako(o)wiN or
> *S^aakwaN ~ *s^aakpaN.  It's just missing the initial s^aa.  I think that
> was a point made by Rankin and Zeyrek (which is buried somewhere in my
> file boxes).  Why I can remember this and not the Wichita thing for Osage
> 'eight' I don't know.  I don't like the hypothesis that comes to me, which
> is that my mind is no longer remembering new things.
>