Padouca.

[R. Rankin]

Thanks to you and John for looking up things that I
couldn't remember to do when I was at the office today!

Well, it looks like the Comanches separate from the
other Numic tribes just about the time our mystery
terms start appearing in the literature.

All I can say about Iatan is that I think it likely
that this Otoe chief probably got into a fight with a
(Comanche??) chief or group with the Iatan name, beat
them and took the name as a trophy.  That would be my
best guess anyway.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan H. Hartley" <ahartley at d.umn.edu>
To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: Padouca.


> R. Rankin wrote:
>
>> I was also wondering just when the Comanches became
>> really separate from
>> the Shoshones -- I guess that must have been much
>> earlier than the
>> period we're talking about.
>
> Thomas Kavanaugh ("Comanche", HNAI 13) doesn't seem
> to say. He does say
> (p. 886) that "Shoshonean-speaking peoples, including
> the ancestors of
> the Comanche, have lived on the Northern Plains since
> the 1500s", and
> (ibid.) "By the 1730s, the Comanche had displaced the
> Plains Apacheans
> and gained control of the trade between New Mexico
> and the Plains...
> Meanwhile, other Comanches had established relations
> with French traders
> from Illinois and Louisiana."
>
> Alan
>