inclusive/exclusive

[ROOD DAVID S]

> Hi David,
>
> Can you tell us the plural form of
> unyin kte heci 'let's go', said to one person.

	If I'm speaking to more than one person, I say "unyanpi kte heci."

>
> In Osage, the dual can be either 'you and I' or 'he and I' excluding you.  I
> had several sentences such as 'John and I are fixing up the house' with
> dual, not plural, verb ending.

	I have to rely on non-native Sprachgefuehl here, but I expect
'John and I went' to be John kichi unyanpi, literally 'with John we (pl)
went', or miye kichi John ye 'with me John went'.  "John kichi unye" would
be 'you and I went with John'.

	I don't know of a way to coordinate a pronoun and a noun into a
complex noun phrase like English "John and I".

	Please -- some of you Lakota speakers out there please correct or
confirm this before somebody takes me too seriously.

> David
> Thanks,
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of David Costa
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:30 PM
> To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
> Subject: Re: inclusive/exclusive
>
> This sounds to me like there's no reason to use the term 'exclusive'; that
> /unye/ is a sort of 'dual inclusive', and /unyanpi/ is just generic 'first
> person plural'. An 'other' category.
>
> So unless I'm missing something, the terminology Algonquianists use isn't
> really appropriate here.
>
> Dave Costa
>
>
>
> > The point is that unyanpi is neither exclusive nor inclusive -- it is
> > 'I and others'.  On the other hand, unye 'you and I went' could only be
> > used to remind someone of something the two of you had done at some point;
> > it has to be limited to two people, and only the speaker and a single
> > addressee are available.  It's most common as an imperative -- unyin
> > kte heci 'let's go', said to one person.
> >
> > David S. Rood
> > Dept. of Linguistics
> > Univ. of Colorado
> > 295 UCB
> > Boulder, CO 80309-0295
> > USA
> > rood at colorado.edu
>