Michigamea is not Dhegiha (Re: Quappa)

[Michael McCafferty]

Quoting Koontz John E <John.Koontz at colorado.edu>:

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 mmccaffe at indiana.edu wrote:
> > > Quoting Koontz John E <John.Koontz at colorado.edu>:
> > > > In 1673, below the Ohio on the Mississippi the the Jolliet & Marquette
> > > > Expedition encountered a village of gun armed people whom they are
> later
> > > > informed are enemies of the Akamsea - perhaps Chickasaw, or at least
> > > > particpating in the later Chickasaw trade with the English.
> >
> > Marquette does not name these people in his narration of the voyage but
> > does appear to name them on his map: Mosopelea.
> >
> > Mosopelea is the textbook spelling for this ethnonym. In truth,
> Marquette's
> > map reads <MONS8PELEA>. Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> These are the folks that Swanton suggested might be the historical Ofo,
> partly on the grounds that *moso would become ofo in the course of regular
> Ofo sound shifts.  This has been debated considerably.  I think Bob Rankin
> and Ives Goddard are currently inclined to believe the association.

That's interesting. That was Swanton's original claim, which I think had been
shelved since we don't know Siouans archaeologically in the Ohio valley. What is
the basis for the return to Swanton?


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> Maybe there's something in the Moneton > Michigamea hypothesis after all,
> though my main reason for mentioning the Moneton was to exhibit another
> group with a similar name and thus to show that "big water" might occur
> several times independently.  (So it would be especially awkward if the
> name *wasn't* independent.)
> 
> Incidentally, although the Mo(n)so(u)pelea and Moneton are both reported
> as residents of the Ohio Valley, I think they are initially reported in
> rather different places.

It seems "Moneton" was discussed either by the list or by you and Bob and I at
some point. Someone discussed it! :)

I *think* I remember that the spelling might be a twisted "Manitou"? The
ethnonym surfaces during Gabriel Arthur's Ohio valley escapade in 1673.



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