Bob wrote: > Gaaghe is an interesting verb nonetheless in that it seems to lose its initial G on occasion in forms like Kansa /kkiighe/ < kkiaghe 'make or do to or for someone'. (Dorsey, Kaw file) ?? In OP, we have gi- for the 'dative' form: gia'ghe 'make or do for someone' iNga'ghe '... for me' ria'ghe '... for you' How does dative OP gi- relate to dative Kaw kki- ? Rory