OP: coming and going

[Rory M Larson]

> > I see; that makes sense!  And that fills in the A1 for gi, s^ki as
well.
>
> You meant A2, right?

No, I meant that you had filled in the A1 hole for gi:

  A1        ??          (John supplied ppi)
  A2        s^ki
  A3        gi


>> So the (Pre?)Proto-Dhegihan forms might look like:
>>
>> stem        (h)u 'come'      ku 'come back'   hi 'arrive there
>>
>> A1          p-(h)u           p-ku             p-hi
>> A2          s^-(h)u          s^-ku            s^-hi
>>
>> with pku -> hpu when double stop consonants were leveled, and u ->
>> u-umlaut?
>
> That's more or less what I assume.  It's not clear what's going on with
> *s^-h or *p-k, but presumably those are something like the PMV or PS
> forms.  Those are the "logical" forms.  However, I think that for PDh,
> given the correspondences, I'd opt for *s^-u and *s^-i (without h)  in
the
> second person of the h-stems and, by the same argument, for *p-ku I'd opt
> for *h-pu, since we get OP ppi, Os hpu, etc.

I was trying to favor "logical" forms in that chart.  The question of
aspirating a fricative might deserve a small discussion in itself!  Here,
it looks like it makes no difference to a fricative whether the leading
vowel of the following morpheme is logically "rough" or "smooth".

Your observation that *p-ku had probably already become *hpu by proto-MVS
is interesting, and well-taken.


>> Do we have evidence that pHi is/has been used in historical OP for 'I
>> came', rather than ppi?
>
> Yes, though, of course, it doesn't mean 'I came', but 'I arrived there'
[...]

I know pHi can mean 'I arrived there', but does it ever mean 'I came'?  The
above chart indicates that MVS *(h)u, 'come', and *hi, 'arrive there',
collapse together phonemically in A1 and A2 in OP:

       MVS *(h)u,       OP           MVS *hi,
       'come'                      'arrive there'

A1     p-(h)u      >    pHi    <      p-hi
A2     s^-(h)u     >    s^i    <      s^-hi


> I think I've gotten all three contrasts here, and in ways that show the
stem involved.

No, we're still missing an A1 'come' example, and that's the one I'm asking
about.  (The A1/A2 contrasts for gi and hi are excellent, BTW!)  The one
you started:

> Hero boy arrives to rescue maiden:
>
> 90:122.7-10
>
> ea'thaN s^i'=a?  ... QUESTION
> why     have you come
>
> ahi=bi=ama  nu'z^iNga=akha
> he had come boy       the

has A2 (s^i) for i, 'come', but the second sentence is unrelated, having A3
(ahi) for hi, 'arrive there'.  The full sentence is actually

  GaN' s^I ni' kHE'di ahi' biama' nu'z^iNga akHa'.
  And again the boy arrived there at the water.

So do we have any known cases in OP of pHi as the A1 of i, 'come'?  Or has
ppi, the A1 of gi, 'come back', entirely replaced it, such that ppi means
either 'I came' or 'I came back', and pHi is used only for 'I went
(arrived) there'?

Rory