HAVE PITY

[Rankin, Robert L]

Jimm,
 
I'm not sure about the 3rd pl., but I'm wondering if the stem, /?udoN/, might not be more closely related to the Omaha and Ponca udoN that has more of a meaning like 'good', and in Kaw, 'good' or 'honorable'.
 
In Kansa and Osage the verb often translated 'have pity' is used with the sense of 'bless' in prayers.  But the root is different, /k?e/ with a causative.
 
Bob

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Subject: HAVE PITY


Bob, John, Rory, Johannes and whoever:
 
Below you see the conjugation in Ioway, Otoe for "have pity".  Also, there are two of a number of examples of usage.
I have in question the third person plural, which may be in error. 
 
The verb is composed from "náhje (heart)" and udán (be depressed toward).  Would the 3PP be:  
nat^úndanwi   =   [nat^ + (hin-) + udán + wi] 
 
 
(I..., nat^úhadan; you..., nat^úradan; we..., hínnat^údanwi; they..., nat^údanñe).    Nat^úhindañe ke,  I am pitied.   Nat^úrigradan ke,  I took pity on you, my own one.   
 
I check for examples on Johannes HocakLex, but I found no examples.  So I checked out examples taken from Radin:
 
nadjirodja  =  take pity on; bless someone. 
nadjironidja na  =  I take pity on you; 
nadjiroradjagi  =  We take pity on you; 
nadjirodjana  =  They take pity on him; 
nadjirodjogi  =  They take pity on him; 
 
nadjodjapi ja  =  be pitied; 
nadjonidja  =  I pitied you; 
nadjonidja wina  =  we pity you; 
 
The above Hochank ~ Winnebago examples are not especially helpful in resolving my question above.  Perhaps, in Dhegiha, there may be a better comparison.
Jimm