Any reference terms for frozen hide?

[Rankin, Robert L]

I would think that any theory about Siouan motion verbs should be checked and tested against data from each subgroup/language.  I think there's a good possibility that Linda's system would work pretty well in most if not all Mississippi Valley Siouan languages.  As I recall, Giulia Oliverio found some differences in Ohio Valley Siouan, and I can't say much at all about the northern languages.
 
You might also want to consult Allan Taylor's comparative article on Siouan motion verbs in IJAL back in the '70's.  I'd say, by all means check it out in IOM.  I'm sure Linda would be happy to provide particulars if you have questions about her system.
 
Bob

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Bob:
In another matter, at last years conference in Billings, LindaC provided an
interesting and clear presentation on Siouan Motion Verbs based on how they
are applied in Assiniboin.  You'll recall that she grouped the eight verbs
into to two groups.  Each were based on where the action was initiated.
Group A  departed from "here".
Group B   departed from "there".

I still hope to do a test application of her scheme to the characters and
persons in the IOM traditional stories movements and narratives to determine
that her scheme funtioned the same for IOM.

My question today is:
Is it a "given" that her application indeed funtions the same across all
Siouan languages without exception, OR
Are there variations in applications noted for Dhegiha, Dakotan, Mandan &
Missouri River, and even Winnebago languages?
Jimm

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From: "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu>
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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Any reference terms for frozen hide?


Bill,

Sorry, I'm afraid I can't help with this one.  Nothing in my files from
Kansa or Quapaw.  Unfortunately most linguists don't collect a whole lot of
specialized vocabulary -- and we should.  I fear a lot of the detailed
terminology of traditional practices may be gone forever.  I'll be
interested to see if anyone else has something for this.

Bob Rankin

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From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of Billy Maxwell
Sent: Mon 2/5/2007 9:16 PM
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Subject: Any reference terms for frozen hide?



I usually enjoy all your comments and observations, but I need your
help.
I could be losing it, but I could have sworn I read a Siouan term for a
worked hide that was put out in the cold after braining.
I cannot remember where I located that, but I cannot find the source
anywhere. If anyone knows of a reference to this please
let me know.

There are those that say this was not done, yet I have done it on
advise from the "granny squad" who did do it for their best hides.
Matters not which language, just sling the terms and references at me
if you know of them.
Thanks in advance. Billy Maxwell